Grandfather of Oklahoma teen killed by homeowner in burglary says AR-15 made


I’ve read this before, and to be honest, I feel sorry for the man but not for the reason most would think. I feel sorry for him because the media is using his grief, to generate some outrage.


“Brass knuckles against an AR-15? C’mon. Who was afraid for their life?” Schumacher said.

I recall that the rifle was used by the homeowner’s son, who was not expected to be there. Original plan was 3 young thugs with brass knuckles and knives vs. 60-year old man. How fair is that?

I can guess that the kid was growing in the environment where personal responsibility and respect were nothing, and other people were looked at as targets of opportunity, not necessarily of criminal type, but for gain, for bullying, etc. I guess that from the grandfather’s attitude.


Don’t forget the knife as well. Or the 4th accomplice waiting outside. Or the Tueller standard. That’s why I can understand his grief, but have no sympathy for the outrage the media is trying to whip up for this supposedly " unfair" fight.

Brass knuckles will absolutely crush someone’s skull if they are hit with suffcient force, there is a reason brass knuckles are illegal in a large number of jurisdictions. Knives have and always will continue to be considered to be lethal weapons.

Law enforcement is apportioning the blame where it appropriately belongs, the surviving accomplice.


I feel bad for the grandfather’s loss. But, those 3 boys walked in planning on hurting or killing the homeowner. They bear responsibility, not the homeowner. The one thing they reported that rings true and hopefully will be remembered,

You can’t change history, but you can damn sure learn from it, and maybe some kids will learn from this.


I stopped feeling emotions about media spin. Let’s just say, they meet my expectations. Sometimes public comments under the news articles make a lot more sense than the articles themselves.

There is no way to tell how much the grandfather was present in this kid’s life (same goes for the parents!), but this was not a random prank, you have to graduate to armed home invasion (kids armed themselves, they anticipated resistance). I don’t buy that the parents didn’t see where the kid’s life was going prior to that. They just didn’t care.


Exactly. ^^^


I don’t understand. In these situations, Should all parties inventory and compare before anything starts?


Some would say yes, and also adjust for economic unfairness and climate change.


I hate it for the grandfather, but the teen along with two friends was going into someone else’s home with the intent of robbing and inflicting harm on a human being. The homeowner did what he had to do to protect himself and his home. The fact that he used an AR-15 irrelevant. The same could be said if he used a .45 or another caliber. When someone choses to go into someone’s home or choses to try to cause harm to another human-they should know one of the consequences could ultimately be death.


Why do people in various communities make such an issue of a thugs death? Particularly in the Black community since Black on Black crime is such a problem. If they run up against an armed person of any other ethnicity, it is just an off day or change of diet for a day for a Black Thug.
If a thug that happens to be Black, a Teen, or some other identified sympathy group chose to become a thug threatening peoples lives, did that thug not choose to put themselves at risk of meeting an armed homeowner, or person with a CCH?
It does not matter what the weapon. If he had used a 10 ounce ball peen hammer and crushed their skulls, they would be just as dead? Any kind of firearms handgun or long gun would have yielded the same result. A result that I agree with.


There is NO such thing as an unfair fight when anyone and everyone that breaks into your home or forces their way in is standing in your house with weapons or without weapons.


This grandfather was obviously not involved with raising or influencing the teens life or they wouldn’t be robbing/killing anyone. If they were to grow up, they would be more devastating thugs. Thank GOD that the homeowner was armed to defend themselves against these thugs.