Still Baffling: AR-15 Provides Homeowners with Unfair Advantage Over Intruders...RIGHT!

Sometimes in researchinig stories to share with TTAG’s audience you come across an old one that still makes you shake your head. Sometimes you come across an old one that makes you shake your head so much you just have to share it. After all these years, what this grandfather says, in spite of his obvious grief, is still a head scratcher. So here’s the story:

Years ago, Massad Ayoob once told me, “In a fight for your life, if it’s a fair fight, your tactics suck.” Like many of us, I’ve heard (and used) that same expression countless times. However, a grandfather in Oklahoma apparently thought it should be a fair fight between home invaders like his grandson and innocent homeowners.

Leroy Schumacher told media outlets that the homeowner’s use of an AR-15 gave him an “unfair advantage” against the gaggle of armed thugs who broke into his home. In the end, three of the thugs assumed room temperature.

Grandpa, using his impressive intellect and reasoning abilities told KTUL at the time that the shooting and killing of the armed home invader teens was “not needed.” From KTUL:

COOKSON, Okla., (KTUL) — A family member of one of the three teen suspects killed after breaking into a Wagoner County home Monday is speaking out for the first time.

The grandfather of Jacob Redfearn believes shooting and killing the 17-year-old and his friends was not needed.

Don’t you love it when the family members of violent criminals speak out to the media, trying to paint their misguided scholar kin as the true victims.

Grandpa Schumacher brought a big shovel to continue diggin’.

“What these three boys did was stupid,” said Leroy Schumacher.

Schumacher agrees his grandson and his friends made a bad decision, but not one worthy of deadly consequences.

“They knew they could be punished for it but they did not deserve to die,” said Schumacher.

Redfearn, 19-year old Maxwell Cook and 16-year old Jake Woodruff were shot by the homeowner’s son while breaking into the Wagoner County…

Schumacher says his grandson didn’t have a chance. The 17-year old, he says, never got into trouble.

“Brass knuckles against an AR-15, come on, who was afraid for their life,” Schumacher told the station at the time.

Those “boys” FAFO‘d – deep in the heart of gun-lovin’ Oklahoma of all places – and it didn’t work out well for them. And now, the intruder’s grandpa wants to change the law that allows homeowners to use deadly force in the face of a violent and tumultuous forced entry into their home by intruders or recommend which guns are acceptable to defend yourself with so what? The criminals have a chance.

“There’s got to be a limit to that law, I mean he shot all three of them; there was no need for that,” said Schumacher.

I AM NO LONGER BAFFLED WITH THE STUPIDITY of HUMANS. And that’s SAD.
HOME INVASION (4) teens, break in to an Elderly Home Owners house (to have Tea and Biscuits perhaps? I don’t think so). Home Owner’s Son uses his AR and shoots (3) dead! , The (4th) Brain Trust a dumba-- chick who planned the INVASION escaped
(to later turn herself in prolly to be SHOCKED w/ CHARGES of not only Burgulary but (3) counts of MURDER because ya see in OOOOOOH-Klahoma (‘Where the winds come sweeping down the plain!’) A Murder(s) involved in a crime is attached to the CRIMINAL! YES! In (135) YEARS she’ll get out! (45 x 3!)


The THREE ‘BOYS’ D.R.T ! (I LOVE THAT ACROYNYM!)

And NOT SO LITTLE Elizabeth Marie Rodge-a-weez gets da clink for Life!

Fitting end for a bunch of stupid kids.
My Advice kids: Next time don’t be in such a rush to get down here and cut the 'Brain-Line!)
Everyone should have an AR-15
Be trained up and be prepared to use it.
This will not be the last story on HOME INVASIONS.
Get the drop on the Invaders and end them all.
WWG1WGA

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They thought they would get away with it! The consequences were absolutely needed in order for others to learn!

Completely worthy! Did grandpa ever hear of “disparity of force”?

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My belief (and it’s NOT too far fetched) is
Grampa of the Vic lives in his ‘Own Private Idaho’
of a mind in Oklahoma. Didn’t exist in this kids World
Doesn’t have a clue to how Violent these kids (he was 19!)
He was NO KID! AT 19 you’re NO LONGER A CHILD!
He(they) knew EXACTLY what they were doing! Knew they
were prolly going to beat someone (possibly to death!)
Oh No folk’s they got JUST WHAT THEY DESERVED! and Little Ms. ‘KINGPIN’
did also!
When that Cell door slams every night for the rest of her miserable life she will
pay the price in her tiny little mind! JUSTICE is best served cold.

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“Sir, I’m not going to apologize for surviving a home invasion.” :clown_face:

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No such thing as a fair fight. You fight to win. Dont care about if some families have bad feelings. Once someone crosses that threshhold, gloves come off.

Stupid does hurt

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In my opinion, the reason to possess an AR-style rifle (or any battle rifle) is not to protect oneself against street criminals.

AR-style rifles broadly available to the civilian population is what was intended by the Founders when they enacted the 2nd Amendment – namely to preserve the ability of the governed to resist an overreaching, tyrannical government. That freedom-preserving intent is not realized with local government CCW permission slips, handguns, shotguns and FUD-rifles. Everyone should have an AR-style rifle tucked away somewhere.

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I love a story with a happy ending :heart_eyes:

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There’s a reference to “Brass Knuckles” in the article. I know I know, brass knuckles make real good door knockers but they also hurt like hell when used for what they are made for. My Point, they went to the guys house with intent to escalate the situation to injury, serious injury or death of the home owner, they brought the tools that escalated the encounter.
Hate to see 3 teenagers get killed but they went over there, they weren’t invited, and met up with a guy that wasn’t going to wait around and see how bad they wanted to beat him before they left.

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@Don102 The grandpa should face some consequences for having obviously raised a really lousy family. I’ll bet he’s a piece of work.

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My opinion Tom?
Is he was never in the Man’s life.
He wanted his (15) seconds of Fame saying
‘Oh the poor lad, he meant no harm’
Yeah right,
Brass knuckles do not an Angel make folk’s.
I’m projecting here but these young men seem like
the one’s on the video’s STOMPING THE CRAP outta
an Elderly man or woman, Cheering as businesses burn,
Stomping a Cop trying to take their Guns.
This started going severely wrong with Rodney King, George Floyd
where Criminals and Rapists became Folk Hero’s…
We better turn this around fast or this country is F’N DOOMED!

If Criminals KNOW they may meet a HAIL OF LEAD! Maybe that will help.

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Her smile will light the room aaaaa a the cell. Her sense of humor and other stuff will bring joy to her community aaaa aaa cellmates. She has such a positive future ahead aaaa well rather bland future but it is ahead of her…

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‘Maybe her next BF will be a Broom stick handle!’
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeouch! too brutal? WHAT?

‘A little suffering is good for the Soul’ I heard from a fiend.

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@Don102 Yeah… and while I am at it, I am sick and tired of some drugged up kid getting shot and the evening parade of family and whoever they drag along, crying about how their kid/baby daddy/uncle, whatever, was such a funny and sweet kid who never did anything wrong before. :nauseated_face:

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Well unfortunately as of right now? This is the way
of the Liberal/Progressive world.
NOBODY DONE NUTHIN’
Illegal Entry ,Invading the US they become the Woke.gov INSTANT CITIZENS
Daniel Penny was a MURDERER.
The United Healthcare MURDERER is the New Robinhood.
Hunter is a ‘Misguided individual’ Pardoned for Life.
In the ‘Nam all this BS was explained truthfully: ‘IT DON’T MEAN NUTHIN’, Not a thing, NOT A THING!’
All this will be straightened out in (21) days Brother.
It won’t be Quick/Instant . Change takes time.
But DJT KNOWS ‘WE’VE HAD ENOUGH!’
This Country is on the Eve of Destruction.
When ICE meets .gov Blu Balls RESISTANCE the GLOVES COME OFF!.

WE WANT OUR COUNTRY BACK!
And if they resist we will STEP ON THEIR THROATS! I’m SICK of waiting to get killed!
I didn’t SURVIVE SYRIA and ‘THE MOG’ to die Violently in Albuquerque! NFW!

Load and Lock Brothers and Sisters It’s about to get REAL!

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If the old goof thinks an AR is unfair he better hope to God none of his demon spawn show up here…lmao :smiling_imp::smiling_imp::smiling_imp:!

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THERE IT IS! Folk’s!
What a lot of us are thinking/Feeling.
When the Populas wants CHANGE!
When the Citizens are Fed up
When the ‘Ruling Elite’s’ crosses the line
BOOM!
This could get BIBLICAL FAST!

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Just one of the reasons to own an AR-style rifle

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The 3 perps got to pick the time and the place of the home invasion. They do not get to pick how the homeowner responded. Action beats reaction every time. The homeowner was at an unfair disadvantage because he had to play the role of reacting to the right of bang (to turn a phrase on the book title “Left of Bang.”) The AR-15 helped to even out that disadvantage.

Agree with @Don102 that this was a very memorable article and one that deserves to be brought back up and talked about.

Like almost everything in life, you get to chose YOUR OWN actions. You don’t get to chose how people react to you. That’s applicable everywhere including outside of the self-defense world.

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Joel, you are 100% correct about there is no such thing as a fair fight. You cross that line then its any thing goes.

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I like the one who brought a knife to a gun fight, No one has said not a fair fight and you are right the in no frindeley fire, Just fight to win Yes I like the Aramalite style rifle have had one since 1965 Well that one was an XM16E2

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