Florida Man v Car Thieves

To paraphrase Chat GPT, Certainly! Here is an example of where hope is.
Jeff Cooper thought hope is in the hands of the victim. President Bukele of El Salvador gave his people hope in form of megaprisons for gangsters with tattoed faces. Donald Trump of the USA promised biggest deportation operation in history. These are elements of hope. Sorry, no innovation there.

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Jeff Cooper was right, ā€œā€¦therefore, a criminal must fear his victimā€. Why would a criminal be afraid though, when the legions of Soros are on his, criminal’s side?

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Tell me if this hurts.

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My vehicle is my way to and from work, thus it is necessary to my livelihood.

The theft of my vehicle directly targets me, and directly impacts me in extreme ways.

Yes, opening my mouth will potentially make me the focus of their attention.

If, instead of fleeing and leaving my vehicle alone, they choose to assault me, I will defend myself.

Lethally if necessary.

If they choose to ignore me and continue to try and pilfer my property I WILL interfere with their ability to do so, all the while being on the phone with 911.

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I’m in this group for as long as the thug cooperates and keeps it a property crime.
I call 911 and non-emergency numbers to make my taxes work for me.

When the thug crosses the line, I pray I’m mentally prepared to stop the threat.

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My take from this article…BE THE VICTIM :exclamation: Visualize it, accept it, BE THE VICTIM.

ā€œYou don’t know how the situation might end, so we urge the community that if you find yourself the victim of a crime, do not confront the subjects.ā€

BE THE VICTIM. Now that the criminal knows that we have laws and only we have to obey…bend over and take it like a…him, he, them, they, do I need to go on! Every little bit they get away with is a little piece of this country we will NEVER get back. It’s not about the car or the property, now it’s a matter of principle!

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I’ve NEVER been more prepared in my life!

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Last fight I had was at age 16. Never backed down from a fight and had bruises and bruised ego as proof.

But, as an adult, it remains to be seen if I would froze up or react decisively.

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The last fight I had was just a few years ago,…

Before that I shared your sentiment of not since my teens…

By my experience, at least, it’s nothing like riding a bike!

It simply comes rushing back to you!

I had to stop and disarm myself (I only had a knife, but I didn’t want it involved)

Suffice to say, no one else there wanted anything to do with me when the dust settled.

How I avoided charges,… weeeelllll,… I wasn’t in the wrong to begin with,… and… anyway…

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Just good ol’ survival instinct :thinking:

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That and training.

After the second exchange of blows I knew I had him outmatched.

That’s when I chose to remove my knife from the fight.

The fight was to submission in my mind, not sure where he was… but if he got my knife it would’ve ended quite differently!

Not survival instinct necessarily.

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Me also!

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You are a GOOD MAN Bean, You err on the side of caution and being realistic.
Not hair on fire and Ready to fight like me. That’s a good thing.
But understand something Brother, You have done more than most in Training and prep.
You have Hand-to-Hand/self D, You are learning different approaches to Self D
You have a Master who trains you, listens to you—My opinion is you will do well.
Just keep sharp and Aware and you will be ready to respond in a Legal/Professional manner.
Don’t stress never having fought in a while (16 years old was another you Brother)
Today’s encounter will be from a totally different perspective.
Weather it’s the Gun, H to H or evade and escape to fight another day you will make the wise choice.
I pitty the phucker that tangles w/ YOU Sir!
You will do well.

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I suppose to some people, their car is quite literally worth dying for.

That’s hard for me to comprehend. I can’t imagine my wife and kids being told they will never see me again because I wanted my car that badly, that I chose to enter into a lethal force situation over it.

I suppose we all must decide for ourselves.

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Col. Jeff Cooper had his feces neatly gathered.

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Let’s also keep in mind, the article is a ā€œcar burglaryā€.

Someone stealing items out of a car.

It doesn’t even say stealing the car, but rather, again, stealing items out of an unoccupied vehicle.

Is that worth risking your life? Rhetorical question/question for you to ponder, no need to answer. Just, recognize that as you work through scenarios, that’s kind of the bottom line

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Someone walks into your house, picks up your wife’s jewelry box and shoves it in a backpack, then unplugs your tv and picks it up while asking you where the remote is……

You’re gonna help them carry the tv out? just sit and watch? Maybe ask them if they’d like some coffee or cookies?

I doubt that.

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Golly this scenario changes more every time lol

Now they are inside my home?

Which scenario do you want to discuss? Someone stealing product from the store display counter, someone ripping earrings out of my wife’s ears while at the store, or someone illegally entering (would pretty much have to be breaking in, in our home) my home and then stealing things?

I just want to make sure I am responding to the correct scenario.

Or should we go back to the original scenario, burglary out of an unoccupied vehicle [on a public street IIRC]?

Edit: I read back up, that was someone else who was giving different scenarios, changing them from question to question, and not nailing one down.

I will answer you with…entering my occupied private residence (aka home invasion) is significantly different from stealing items (aka burglary) out of an unoccupied vehicle.

Significantly

My vehicle is an extension of my home, I will not stand by and simply watch someone rummage through either.

Yes, the things they would find in the vehicle are less valuable, aside from all the information that is available. Name, address, insurance policy, and such… they can do a lot of damage with that stuff.

Allowing thieves to break into my car while standing and doing nothing is the same as carrying the tv out of my living room for them IMO.

As for stealing from a store, well. I’m not the store security. I would alert them, which is still more than you seem to be advocating.

Same if I see a thief that’s NOT rummaging through MY car,(someone else’s unoccupied vehicle) I’d alert security, or the police.

I advocate not willingly walking into a violent physical confrontation with (what in practice should be considered) an unknown number of potentially armed criminals, openly aware it may become a life or death situation, over the ā€˜stuff’ that is in the car…or over the jewelry in the display case of the store.

The things USCCA membership is about start with Avoid Danger. That is what I primarily advocate.

Self Defense vs Stuff Defense

I’m not a lawyer but I don’t think there are any states that consider an unoccupied vehicle equivalent to a residence RE: Justified use of force when broken into.

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