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If Iām on the jury and I watch that video, my mind is made up, NOT GUILTY. Maybe immoral, maybe unethical, Iām a juror, absolutely NOT GUILTY. 5 or 6 years ago maybe he should take a plea.
Todays world, if youāre a good guy with a gun, youāre NOT GUILTY for stopping a bad guy, ever! Make absolute sure the threat is stopped. Our hero made sure he could not kill anyone ever again. Fake gun doesnāt even come into play, bad guy found that, we perceive all guns as being real and loaded! FAFO. Not Guilty!
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So what you are implying by
he could not kill anyone ever again.
is threatening to kill somebody is the same as killing?
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This incident, unfortunately (in that, something like this has to happen to provide ālessons learnedā), will become a training aid in a lot of ways going forward. It bears a lot of critical components for how we might better prepare or handle ourselves during a self-defense situation like this one, or similar. Also, it may aid us in our consideration for being strategically seated or situated in public places. Moreover, it provides for us to consider the physiologically and psychological effects when and after itās āgoā time. Iām speaking in regard to what happens with the body and brain before, during, and after a critical incident. All of these elements are present in the video clip, and more.
Itās more than a notion.
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If means, motive and opportunity are present, the answer to your question is the whole point of returning fire or at least engaging a deadly threat.
Someone points a gun at me, if I donāt act appropriately I can assume Iām a dead man! Someone points a gun at anyone in my vicinity, I can safely say the gun is intended to do grave bodily harm or death.
Maybe we could ask every person who died at the hands of a bad guy with a gun!
Donāt misunderstand, the last shot taken, was an emotional one, or since we were not there, maybe the body moved in a threatening manner.
Additionally Iām not sure you want to be asking yourself that question when youāre looking down the barrel of a gun in the hands of someone unstable enough to rob people in an aggravated manner.
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So now you are implying the appearance of trying to kill someone is the same as killing someone and we shouldnāt stop them we should just kill them. In hindsight we know the perpetrator never intended to kill anyone. Before we kill someone donāt you think we should be sure they have the ability to kill someone else. Maybe your reply about killing someone so they cannot kill someone else was emotional. We know the victim was sorry he killed the perpetrator by his reaction when he found out the gun was fake. I wouldnāt want you to feel that emotion. I donāt think he felt like a hero.
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I said this before, but, the aspect we are concerned with in this incident nobody was looking down the barrel of a gun. That scenario isnāt what is āon trialā here
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At all costs, stop the threat, if threat continues, keep stopping the threat. Yes, it was obvious that our hero was extremely pissed when he found out the gun was a prop. If the perp was that stupid to rob people under the pretense that his gun was real, his game, his rules!
Iāll say it again, the last shot taken was an emotional one. I myself would have taken my finger off the trigger when perp went down, had he moved furtively, I would have issued some commands. If not obeyed, may have placed another round to subdue. But definitely not to kill.
And I surely wouldnāt have gone back and āfinished him offā. He was a āgood boyā.
Iām angry as well, weāve let them get away with too much. Law and order are gone from our streets. The Dems created the wild Wild West. To quote, we didnāt start the fire! Iām not the one out to kill anyone, they are.
Iām going out on a limb, with a what if, had the gun been real and someone didnāt comply, what would the mindset of the perpetrator be, would he have been more emboldened to kill? Again, I donāt want to be second guessing when lives are at risk.
I understand the power of my firearm and shot placement.
I donāt think people should be robbing people at any kind of gun point, itās time bad guys who think they are owed need to watch their backs. Sorta tired of living with my head on a swivel. I expect to do that in the jungle not on my city streets.
No matter how you think I feel, best keep your wits about you, things are about to get 50 times worse. Be on your guard. I understand a lot of people train and donāt understand how many rounds they fired in a deadly situation. Iāve incorporated that round count fin every moment of training.
In real life Iāve had to explain shot placement and how many rounds were expended and why. Control is also a mindset.
PS letās not try to read too much into this, Iām a defender not an offender!
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That is why I say he murdered the man. You can shoot to defend your self until the perp. is no longer a threat. When you walk over to a man that is not trying to kill you at moment and fire more rounds into him is murder.
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Not everyone can control emotions. We are not machines and without practice, emotions always take over clear thinking.
I agree with @Scott52 - last shot was emotionalā¦ and not needed.
Does it really make us a murderers if we stand against deadly threat, the other human who wanted to finish our life? I donāt think so.
Even in emotions we do everything to survive. Some people know when to stop (training, clear mind, etc), others may not. But still those people are defending, not murdering.
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The best I can say here is, we shouldnāt be in a state of mind where we have to stop a threat. They created a world devoid of law and order. Now this was just a stupid kid, what happens when the prison hardened guy comes in with a real gun or a true terrorist. If we second guess ourselves, weāre dead.
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it is up to the DA if he is charged as far as I know if it goes to trial. I canāt say what was in his mind. Kevin McCloskey has a video on it and explains it but I canāt find it right now
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The deadly truth of the matter, is in the moment. Tasting the adrenaline as it bubbles up on your tongue, time slowing, is not something you want to feel. Been there done that, lived to tell, I tell no more!
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Thatās the thing if we donāt control our emotions our emotions will control us. We all have emotions but controlling them seems to be getting a worse and worse problem. I think itās the reason why antiās donāt want us to have guns because they know we are all emotional and like them canāt control it.
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Was the head shot āmurderā at that point, or desecration of a corpse, done as a release of frustration?
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Great point, great debate.
The other thing is, we have been controlling our emotions for the past few years. When they started coming at us with pitchforks and whispers and telling us we didnāt really see what we saw, things start to blur. Well just to make things clear, Iām not in a blur at all, I see whatās going on all around me 24/7/365. Admittedly, Iām tired and wasnāt supposed to be apart of my retirement!
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Was the perpetrator pronounced dead by a doctor before the execution?
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If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duckā¦
Iām not a social worker. Not taking the chance of trying to talk the perp down.
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Especially when a gun is being held by a perp, this is what triggers a āreasonableā expectation of danger of death or grave bodily injury to the innocent. The difference between someone threatening to kill a person with a gun and someone killing a person with a gun may be as little as a half second or less. Are you willing to split hairs on definitions at that point?
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At what point?
The biggest hangup people have about this did not happen with a gun being a half second away from killing someone.
The issue people are seeing isnāt with the shots of the perp while he was waiving the gun around
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