Is it time to riot in front of the courthouse so we can sway the jury in our favor? I do have to agree that shot number 9 was an emotional shot, then leaving the scene was a very bad move.
However, why am I seeing a jury of our peers feeling the same way…
Had law and order been the standard of this administration, dead guy may still be alive! 70 million of us still believe in a civil society.
Vegetables aren’t food, they’re what food eats.
One last comment and then I’m out. Regardless of where you stand on this you have too assume the firearm was real and go from there.
Consider this follow-up from not only an experienced shooter, but a Lawyer as well.
Another well established, YouTube opinion.
While I agree there were some excessive shooting, nine shots of which three I know missed for sure, I don’t think anyone can say for sure he was fleeing. It was just as likely he was going to walk around by the windows and point his gun at the guy sitting by the poker machines
People keep mentioning shooting this dude in the back. I will say, if you’re justified in shooting somebody, where you shoot them is of little different. The alternative I believe would be to draw your gun while he’s facing you which I think would be extremely dangerous
These were first thoughts just after the shooting happened.
Right now we know more, so lot of first posts are not accurate anymore.
One shot stop is nice but not very likely. A shot to the central nervous system would be very hard on a moving target. And overall a pistol is a lousy man stopper as the rounds aren’t traveling fast enough to generate hydrostatic shock. According to the army and FBI a bullet has to be traveling 2000-2200 ft./s to generate hydrostatic shock and pistol rounds don’t do that
Dave I doubt he even carries his gun in a holster he probably walks around with it stuck in his belt😉
I think Colion is exactly right! When you’re wrapped up with a racing heart because you’ve just had a gun pointed at you, I think it would be a little hard to shut off the trigger finger at the exact proper moment.
I would like to think my training would have me Assessing the results through my sights after the first four shots but man I just don’t know. Experiencing that would have anybody hopped up
My take is somewhat different. Regardless of which way he is walking I would consider him a threat until he’s left the building. I do believe there was an excess amount of shooting particularly when it comes to the final shot ( does it make a difference if the autopsy shows that he was dead before the final shot was made?)
. Does anybody know for sure how many of the nine shots actually missed? On another news report I saw where one hit a poker machine and two went through the lower glass of the door.
Well I’m glad you think you know me too…I carry in a Fobus Kydex…thank you very much.Where do you carry?IMO a 200 grain 10 mm hollow point or a 44 magnum 240 grain hollow point will stop any man short of them wearing body armor…FBI data or not.
@Doug48, it is never my intention to snipe at anyone or starch anyone’s shorts about their particular training regimens. As I said, “to each their own.” Whether one carries commando, holster, or no carry at all. I respect everyone’s right to their opinion; I don’t have to agree with them all, because quite frankly I don’t have to, it’s not my opinion or decision. And, sometimes, on rare occasions, differences are good in that, it tests the veracity of some of the opinions that we may have adopted over the years, but only to the extent that it helps to make us better as responsibly armed American citizens. Because I think that’s the goal, and toward which I fully support.
Trever1, I don’t know you. I’m just familiar with the type.
Research has shown, when it comes to pistols velocities, any advantages you think you might be gaining from larger calibers is lost due to the elasticity of the human body. So whether shooting a 9mm, a 10mm, a 41 magnum or a 44 magnum the difference to the human body will be negligible. Bullet placement on the other hand is king. The one place I think we do agree is shooting somebody wearing body armor with a large caliber pistol is more likely to increase injury because the bullets do definitely hit harder.
There is a very good video put out by Chris Baker from Lucky gunner on his visit to federal where they do an outstanding job explaining what I’ve said above. If I can find the video, I will come back and include it here.
Stay safe and keep practicing those head shots😉
I’m with you on which way he was walking, regardless.
He was far from walking when he wax shot in the back of the head while unconcious on the floor, though.
I think those of us who want him to be justified are spending an extra amount of time diverting to talking about the earlier shots being justified to avoid talking about the seemingly-execution because we all know that was wrong…and just hope he will get a pass anyway
IMO the first shots were clearly justified. The next string, that would be a good court battle. The last one, not a chance. Up to prosecutors, grand jury, maybe a petit jury to decide if he gets a pass anyway
This is what “rather be judged than carried” results in maybe? Time to be judged
Not sure what type you are making reference to.I killed a deer this season with a pistol for the first time.Actually it was the first time hunting deer. with a handgun.Using a hunting hand load in a Taurus Raging Hunter.The wound and destruction of tissue was ugly.So if a 44 mag will go completely thru a Deers chest cavity and drop it on the spot,I’m relatively certain it will create something similar in a human.Im not arguing your point,I’ve seen the damage a handgun can do to both animals and humans…it’s ugly.A Fifty cal is a whole lot worse…lol.
Hey Jerzy, Been a little bit. I sure was thinking during my times out eating,How many times some could have walked in on others and I in an identical situation. Will add this one to my thought training. With that always prepared and hope for the best outcome 
Yeah. All theses shootings we have been discussing about could and can happen to each of us.
Situational awareness and places avoidance won’t work in 100% situations in your lives.
We must discuss, analyse and visualize all these situations.
Taco shooting brought one thing to my attention, something I have to rethink again.
I usually sit in the far corner to have the best view and nobody behind my back.
In this particular scenario the chances of drawing and preparing the firearm and creating the ambush would be harder being in the corner than the good guy had, sitting closer to the exit.
Right now I’m thinking of using other corner of the bars / restaurants. The corner that will give me better view of the assailant when he leaves, not when he enters.
Any other thoughts and opinions about it?
I always use the Wild Bill Hickok method as you were talking about. The one time he didn’t follow his rule , Well we know what happened
