vaccine mandate

yes you are supposed to follow orders. but, in todays military they have the ability to file for an exemption
how do you know he took the shot? because cnn or someone else showed him getting it. that could have been just regular saline solution


There is no legitimate commander in chief at the moment, given that the 2020 presidential election “results” were not legitimate (as an example, Pennsylvania violated its own state constitution in accepting massive numbers of invalid ballots and was never held accountable).


Good luck to you Gray. You gotta a lotta guts. I’d a lost my job, then again, in my paths, I have to see those who have caught that bug. Still, so far I only took the minimal mandated amount of doses, not yet the extras I can get inoculated for; Still afraid of the side effects.

I know I can always get more shots. I actually caught the bug a couple of times myself. But I’ve been in otherwise good health, so I bounced back after heck of a bad week.

But I experienced an ailment after a shot, which no doctor knew the cause and none cured; Took me nine months and tons of dough spent to recover from, worse than “the bug”. I can’t prove it, but fear and ask myself, could it have been a side effect. Will never know.

A loved one told me once, “I don’t get the shot to help me, I get the shot to help others and save their lives, it’s a most unselfish sacrifice.”

For sure a sensitive topic. I saw many service members drop retirement papers quickly over the Vax it was take it of leave no questions asked at the time.


Good point! I totally agree.

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First off, it’s “Commander in Chief” not “Commander and Chief”

Secondly, only lawful orders. The 1947 Nuremburg Code was violated when vax mandates were introduced.

An excerpt from the Nuremburg Code:
“The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.”

Source: The Nuremberg Code

The Nuremburg Code was established to codify and attempt to prevent the horrors carried out by the Nazis and specifically Josef Mengele. Apparently the US Government has either forgotten or ignored the lessons of history. Unfortunately, the current generation of children (who have not died already) are suffering the effects of this willful ignorance of the FACTS of the matter.


How long have they been giving mandatory vaccines to enlistees at basic training, or Soldiers that are deploying overseas?


He is? It sure doesn’t seem like it. I am running for Senator. Calling “Heels Up”, President. No knowing how to get off the podium. Needing someone grab his arm to direct back onto the sidewalk, etc., etc. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


yes you have to get your shots when you enter the military. but, non of then are experimental and have been tested over the years (decades) IMHO


As @leo23 noted, all the immunizations given at Basic Training centers are established formulations that are NOT experimental, are time tested, and EFFECTIVE at PREVENTING infection from the virus being immunized against.

I got 3 shots at Basic Training, because I have had lots of immunizations throughout my life, and could prove it. I still got THREE injections for Varicella (Chickenpox) even though it is in my records that I have already had chickenpox as a child. I still got it three times, because the Army said so. Prior to two deployments, I got immunized against several nasty things like Smallpox, Hepatitis (A & C), Avian Flu (H1N1), Anthrax, and a host of other nasty things. Currently, my immunization record is FIVE pages long. I am not against vaccinations, but FORCING someone to become a TEST SUBJECT for an EXPERIMENTAL formulation that alters your DNA, and whose side-effects are unknown. My hesitancy has proven to be correct, as worldwide serious side-effects and deaths have occurred (IMHO) due to the vax.

Please stop making the comparison of time-tested, known immunizations to experimental gene-altering formulations. It is disingenuous and reeks of ignorance.


thank you @GrayMan for saying something.
due to my injuries I have memory issues mostly short term but occasionally long term too. for the life of me I couldn’t recall what they were and how many. I just remember getting the shot (experimental) that a lot of people got messed up by before my deployment in 1990 gulf war


How can you be sure he took the shots, he has lied about everything!


I got swept up in the Swine Flu Vaccine debacle at Fort Dix in 1976. They talk about one or two people died but I can tell you, at least ten people left our Basic Training Company after getting the Vac and didn’t come back.


You do recall Biden left soldiers in Afghanistan, so why should they follow his orders, he clearly does not care about our military or he would have never left them, and or mandated military take the vaccine to begin with!


this right here :point_up_2: :point_up_2: this is why when you give your oath. it is to the constitution and the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and not to the drooling idiot in the white house


A small detail that I noticed some years ago:
The oath that Enlisted personnel take mentions following the orders of the President and the Officers appointed above.

The oath that Officers take has ZERO mention of the President. It is entirely to the U.S. Constitution. So Military Officers are free to use their discretion when deciding whether or not to follow the whims of a president, or to exclusively follow the Constitution.

Oath of Commissioned Officers

I ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

The Oath of Enlistment (for enlisted):

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”


Not at all. As quoted above, the Nuremburg Code states “The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent;” (Blah blah blah, there’s more to it, scroll up if you want to read more.)

The point made was that the COVID-19 vaccine mandate violated the Nuremburg Code. My question is why the COVID-19 mandate is a violation, when the other mandatory vaccines are not.

You find this question disingenuous. Perhaps it is merely an uncomfortable question. Nothing in the quote above gives exceptions to the voluntary consent. It doesn’t, for example, state “…unless a vaccine has been around a long time, then you don’t need consent.” That seems to be the distinction you’re making, that it’s ok to mandate vaccines so long as they’ve been around long enough and no one has grown a second head.

But if “consent” is absolute, then no mandates would be acceptable. That seems like a simple line in the sand, I don’t see how it’s disingenuous.

(BTW, this sub-discussion is entirely based on the Nuremberg Code, which has no force of law that I’m aware of.)

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Also from the Nuremburg Code:

“The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results justify the performance of the experiment.”

No animal testing was done prior to mandating the vax’s use. Nothing was known about the disease (C0V1D) outside of those at NIH and Wuhan labs. They claimed the vax would prevent infection and prevent transmission. They had ZERO evidence upon which to make these claims, and time would reveal that the vax did neither. They LIED.

“The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.”

Again, those outside NIH and Wuhan had ZERO knowledge of potential after-effects of the vax, and didn’t even know what C-19 would do to people. I had it and it sucked, but it didn’t harm me in a way that I look back and would rather have had the (poisonous) vax pumped into me.

“Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability or death.”

Once again, NOT done.

“During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him, that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.”

As soon as mysterious injuries of those vaxxed began happening, vax mandates should have ended. As soon as they knew the vax was not safe, effective, and did not prevent the infection or stop the spread, vax mandates should have ended. It took patriotic Congresspeople to end the vax mandate for the military.

So, apparently, you did NOT read the Nuremburg Code, and relied solely on the excerpt I posted.


Well yeah, that’s exactly what I was responding to. I appreciate the additional info, but I’m not going to withdraw my question, because I’m still curious why the ethical line is fuzzy. If you want me to go study all of post-WWII war crime legal history before I ask questions, then I guess we’re done with this discussion for a year or so.

(And to repeat, the Nuremberg Code has no force of law that I’m aware of. It’s a set of ethical guidelines, but no one is going to be prosecuted based on the Nuremberg Code.)

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The ethical line is CHOICE.
The point of the Nuremburg Code is to codify under what conditions medical experimentation should be condoned. The ultimate CHOICE is up to the individual contemplating being a test subject.

The vax mandate eliminated CHOICE for Servicemen & women. We were ALL FORCED to become test subjects for an experimental drug that did not do what it was promised to do, and (IMHO) harmed and killed hundreds of thousands of people globally.

The Left loves to shout “My Body, My Choice” when it comes to abortion, but becomes militantly fascist when it comes to forced vaccination of the global population.

So in conclusion, it is all about CHOICE in medical experimentation.

I know the Nuremburg Code isn’t law, and no one is going to be prosecuted for violating it. But, those who call for mandatory vaccinations of experimental drugs need to realize that they are taking the side of Josef Mengele and those who want to experiment on unwilling test subjects. Food for thought.

Have a Happy New Year