OMFG. That was a joke Bro. 
Karacal got it. 
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Okay, I did not understand. Thank you for your explanation.
Wow, no humor in this conversation. Sounds like a conversation between two Vulcans.
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I did read the beginning statement which you reprinted. So by inflection of your repeating, you seem to believe that corporations don’t contribute to a community. i.e. It is the way for corporations to pay taxes, contribute to the community, support the lives of the population by employing the citizens, but, they should be deprived the support of the firefighters because the firefighters are at the church putting out the fire for a building that doesn’t support the very rescue that is happening? Meanwhile, the business that has now burned to the ground can not make payroll to unemployed citizens… This is how you see it should work?
Gonzo333 said stifling, not Dave17
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More information for y’all. For many years, this was the standard prayer — the one that the court ruled against and effectively outlawed all prayer in school:
“Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers and our Country.”
To me, that doesn’t look like it’s from any one particular denomination or even religion (I believe that’s the point of it), and it certainly doesn’t force someone to believe anything.
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Ever hear the term,
The whole Magilla?" I had a Jewish man explain that to me. I didn’t know what it meant but had heard it frequently growing up. It turns out the Magilla (I am quite sure I am spelling it incorrectly, but that is the phonetic spelling) is a Jewish prayer. There are two versions, the long version which I am informed is quite long and tedious and the short form. The expression The Whole Magilla comes from the expression in synagogs, “He’s not going to recite the whole Manilla, is he?”
So I wouldn’t mind the short version just as I wouldn’t mind the Our Father but reading the whole first chapter of the bible would get me walking out. On the religious note.The last time I was at an organized church function was my parent’s 50th wedding anniversary. That was in 1986, so you can infer that I am not a regular church goer. That said, I am concerned about the frequency of attacks on organized religion, especially Christian and Jewish faiths. It seems to me freedom of religion is under heavy attack here in this country and in Western Europe and that is of concern. I still believe in the overall concepts of Judaism and Christianity and I think without those precepts we are in danger of falling into a pit of hedonism that will spell the end of western civilization.
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Happy Anniversary @BenTheRifleGuy
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So true people are forgetting about the lord above. He watches over us, we are his flock an we will be led home once again. God bless us all.
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Again, corporations do not pay taxes. The “tax” is paid by those that pay for their goods and services. Any costs are included in what you pay. I fail to understand how you do not understand that. It is a zero sum game, except the government gets to remove their share from the equation, leaving everyone else poorer.
Like the heat in the desert, your humor was very dry… so dry it felt like an old woman… or so I assume… give me 20 years or so to comfirm… 
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I do not fail to recognize the consumer ultimately pays the taxes levied to a corporation. That is not lost at all in the world of money. The end game IS zero by your verbiage.
By YOUR own pyramid of how money “really” flows. (And it is not wrong), if a church would be levied a tax liability, the church would NOT be paying either. Those that tithe with the church are the real payees to taxes.
So all I am saying is that the church should be paying taxes for the services ot expects to receive and stop being a sponge to the community with power of their own pulpit and no actual monitary involvement.
Do you feel better repeating yourself like faux follies or newswakkos? Os that where you have learned to not question and just accept what is yelled by a commentator that has a definitive objective? And must you assume a person that question your comment for a better understanding could only understand you by repeating and assuming that other person doesn’t know how money works? That way you do not need to address the question? Interesting you believe I don’t know how money flows without knowing anything about me. That wasn’t even a part of the communication.
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They are not a sponge to the community. They provide to the poor and needy. We do not need the government sucking money from the system to provide to the poor.
I have no idea what you are trying to say there.
What commentator have I been listening to or quoting?
I assumed nothing. You asked for the explanation. You stated, “i am not following your thread about the taxation. Would it be possible to elaborate a bit more on this?”
What question did I not answer? Do even want a reply? You seem to enjoy wallowing in self-pity.
Unlike your rambling post, I have been quite concise about my opinion on corporate taxation and taxation of religious entities. If you actually wanted to debate that, you would have furthered that dabate. Rather than state I don’t know what you know, you would have explained what you do know and your opinion. But I guess in that instance I did assume too much from you.
Now back to the actual point of contention (I am assuming again). When government gets their hands on money - only available through taxation or creating more currency - less of it is available for the purpose of that money. I do not see where taxing churches provides more value. If “x” dollars are needed to support services such as police, etc., as you mentioned, that amount of money can and is taken from the people in the multitude of tax schemes already established. No additional money would be created by taxing the church.
Okay, okay, you will tell me that you obviously know this, but then why did you even bring up the issue of taxation of churches? The logical conclusion would be that you do not understand that. It would seem there is no reason to continue this “debate”.
God Bless. Amen.
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I knew you are not the atheist you claimed to be.
LOL. Wow, I am not an Atheist? You assumed that based on my last statement? Like God and Heaven, my humor went right over your head. If you read my posts, I frequently admit my Atheism. I am definitely not religious nor believe in God(s). Do I believe in morals and do I see the value others get in believing in God and religion? Yes. I don’t have an issue with people having beliefs that differ from mine as long as they have no issue with my beliefs being different than theirs.
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" Blücher!"- Young Frankenstein
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My apologies. I must have lost track of the thread of emails that stated “being an atheist” . That statement must have been from a different person and I lost the switch of people involved. It seems u must return to the original emails tory and see where this happened. Where did you jump in at?
No, I, again, have always admitted to being such, as I did in just my last post, too - “I frequently admit my Atheism”. I state such to aid others in understanding that my moral values are not derived from religious tenets nor God(s), but my own self. However, many of my beliefs, other than belief in religion and God(s), do align with the beliefs one finds in Christianity, which in our “Western society”, should not be unexpected.
I believe you got confused by my dry wit, where I tried to end this silliness by ending my other post with God Bless. Amen. Maybe I should have stated, Allahu Akbar, instead? LOL Christians use that same phrase, God is Great, but not when committing suicide with explosives.
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Curious, do you get excited repeating yourself? Does it work well for your stress to believe others can not use dry wit, humor or word play? Since you have moved us on to strange tangents that deviated far from my origin quest, I am left to believe you are not sure of yourself. I guarantee you will not self reflect and still not get to my question. Have a great day. And I am agnostic. I was a full blown head on straight forward Christian until my tour in the U.S. Airforce. It is not the military that lead me on a search for a greater understanding of the Christian belief and understanding. It is the Airforce time that opened my eyes to a world of religion, constitution, governance, and then collegiate endeavor that manifest to the realization of deep hypocrisy so prevalent it is only surpassed by greed.
Gonzo, I think you are confusing the fallen state of man with the expectation god has for us. Ppl will always come short of the goal and will always be hypocritical in their beliefs ,actions and deeds. We have to learn to look past those failings and work on ourselves. We forgive not to make the other person feel better but to heal ourselves.
Are there churches that could do better, yes. Are there churches that are doing what a church is supposed to do, yes. A church can only be as moral as it’s leadership. Ppl aren’t perfect and make bad decisions for the wrong reasons. I think you need to recognize the fallen state of man and realize how that effects the church and our whole society.
Be blessed
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