Lawfulness and outcomes? (#VA)

We see in Virginia that a billionaire (Michel Bloomberg primarily and George Soros) purchased the Virginia house in the recent election.

This was in part an after effect of forcing the Govenor. To roll over,if he wanted to keep his job. Politically after his historical appearance issues came to light.

Now we see a house legislature (left bent) that is producing non stop gun owner criminalization legislation and 2a crushing legislation against the will of the people.

We see a big rally,but that had no effect on the legislation and point in fact legislation was forwarded to the Senate the very next day.

The question is a simple one.

If the legislation passes the Senate and legal gun owners are told they have 48 hrs or 30 days to turn in all their weapons or they are felons. What would you do?

Is this a legal(for the people by the people) set of laws?

Does the sanctuary county movement provide any relief?

Does the fact that a neighboring state wants to extend it’s borders and by ratification absorb border counties (out of a hostile state) mean anything? Could the country be restructured by states annexing counties out of a state- without war?

Was the law legal and lawful or illegal?

Would you obey it?

How would you hide your weapons if you didn’t obey it? Would hiding matter.?
The police already have a listing of who owns what,when they show up- what would you do??

And yes even take a minute to consider the Declaration of Independence( I almost forgot about that piece- bad govts and all)

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I’m honestly not sure how the 2A Sanctuary movement works legally in VA.

Here in Michigan it’s 100% sending a message to our legislators that we don’t support any further infringements. Due to Preemption laws here any government lower than the State itself cannot pass laws pertaining to firearms that aren’t in line with what the state already has in place, which is redundant. So basically the 2A Sanctuaries are toothless.

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Those are some tough answers…

As FOR ME…I WOULD NOT COMPLY!

And get this…I LOVE LAW AND DESPISE THINKING OF BREAKING IT however when it comes to our human rights…they can kiss my *** —I don’t cuss either but would tell them where they could stick it!

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I think what’s really being asked here, are what are the rules of engagement?
Unconstitutional laws are not laws. I’m just guessing here but the fourteenth amendment must have some sway.
But I get the strongest feeling that no one gives a s### about our constitution anymore. It is literally being stomped upon. Maybe we need to go back to the Bible and an eye for an eye works for me!
I don’t know how to accomplish this but if they want my guns I want all my tax dollars since birth to be returned.
Maybe instead of marching to save our gun rights we should start marching to NOT pay a single cent in taxes. Is that a revolution?

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I would refer you to my response earlier today in the following thread with respect to the legality of the laws that are being enacted - Virginia may be ground zero!
As for your questions, the correct legal answer to each of them is “it depends.” And it depends on a lot of things as they are today’s and if the laws face court review.

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This is not a legal reply but something I have to say. I spent 20+ years in Virginia and the people allowing this to happen has left a bad taste in my mouth!

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Absolutely brother. You and I need to get together. We are on the same page, and there are many more like us.

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Sounds reasonable to me. Borders are about culture, religion, and beliefs, not race. e.g., Irish & British. It’s been that way since the beginning of time. I’ve been to the South (Gulf Shores and Tuscaloosa Alabama, Meridian and Biloxi Mississippi, and the Fort Benning Georgia area) several times, and let me tell you, I have way more in common with the conservative South than I do with any race in the Northern Coastal areas. I wear this battle flag buckle every day.

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The Deep South is a different animal than most of the rest of the country. Some bad, but the good outweighs the bad, IMHO.

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Exactly. Completely different culture. The South should have never been forced and provoked by Lincoln in the first place. The South simply wanted to be left alone. But no, Lincoln wanted his tax money. And now here we are again…the South sending another message to the tyrants. Although, not specifically to the President, the message is very clear.

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Your question is a provocative one, which according to some of the other legislation moving through the VA legislature, the answering of which would be grounds for arrest. In general the laws enacted today do not go into effect until 01 Jul of the current year or 01 Jan of the following. At that time EVERY gun owner in VA is going to have to make a decision. That said I have been noticing other proposed laws that are making it through that are significantly more dangerous to VA. Loss of Right to Work, Minimum Wage increase from $9 to $15 over time, infringements on 1A rights as well as all the 2A stuff. The progressive Democratic front has the ball and the court right now. Time will tell how bad they can screw things up prior to the next election.

Cheers,

Craig6

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We have been so intent on the 2A that they have been passing other bills left & right without opposition. I wonder if this was the intention all along…

I dont have the mental bandwidth to track all the gun bills, let along all the other stuff theyve proposed. I thought i read that VA set records in the # of proposed bills. After the session is done I’ll have to go back and see what other stuff got passed.

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Maybe Right to Work is different where you come from. Here, and other places I’ve seen, Right to Work really means Right to Fire.

Here in Michigan Right to Work was a catchy, feel good name for a Bill that allowed a business to fire employees for any reason or no reason at all and reduced the ability of people to file wrongful termination suits.

While I’m not a fan of how quick people are to sue these days (IMO so many are just people looking for a big pay day), I do believe that there needs to be reason to fire someone and failing that, they should have legal recourse.

So unless Right to Work is different in VA, I support its removal.

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afaik Right to Work was just the coffin nail in a Union presence for many sectors of industry. Not saying all Unions were run ethically, just saying the concept of Union work helped slow the transfer of resources from the working masses to those who managed the managers managers. Sorry if I called anybody out on that one, just how I see somethings.

and edit: I’m proposing the union workers, on the whole and in a technically proficient industry, gave good value for their wages with a minimum of goldbricking fools screwing things up.

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Just transfer all of your VIR. guns to your friends in other states, that is at least the ones that are registered.

@FunCycle I don’t have any “registered” guns but there are some few that have a 4473 attached to them with my name on it. Time and circumstances will tell if a drastic move such as you propose is necessary. I hope it doesn’t come to that. In this “Special Legislative Session” there are great many bills being moved forward that have no business in a “Special” session. I have not seen much movement on 2A bills but it would not surprise me to find a couple hidden in the weeds. 2021 is coming and I dare say a reckoning for VA. We were hoodwinked once but I believe the shoe is now on the other foot.

Cheers,

Craig6

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One death of freedom seems to begin with anger, or, unsatisfied pain, that demands a payment, or a change. In response, new laws are demanded, or, people just sue, regardless of merit, and without weighing the cost. Elections can be won from this anger, power can be gained, so the laws and rules are championed, even if they are wrong. Before long, there are so many laws and legal precedents, that barely a breath can be taken without danger, danger of overstepping a strand of the ever thickening web of boundaries set by all those laws and rules. Finally, somewhere along the way, a person comes to realize that they are no longer free, not free at all. while not bound to a single tyrant, or an identified ruling class, they are none the slaves to a list, a file of offenses with no heart, or mind, or mercy. It is then that you may see that freedom has died. Died quietly, muffled, suffocated under a heaping mound of laws and rules, applied one law suit, one election, at a time.

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@Dr_Richard sorry for such a late response, I’m new to the family. I appreciate this post because my fiancee and I are thinking of moving to Virginia, and this is concerning to me. A big decision in moving, for me, is local and state gun laws. I would petition the government, and peacefully and legally protest. But once the government tries to unconstitutionally seize my weapons, I can’t say what I would do. Its egregious that governors, mayors and judges arbitrarily dictate gunlaws based on emotion, not facts.

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@AdamHutch I would put your move on hold until after elections. Just caught up to this thread and have to ask why would someone pro 2A ask so many self-incriminating questions in an open forum?