So I am deflecting? Actually it was me who asked you guys a question, and all of you declined to answer; How many departments did you apply for? It is a simple question, and if it was “none”, then it had a simple answer that was not given.
That is a non sequitur. Re-read my posts. Who gives a f—k, except you - trying to assert your “cops” are better than the rest of us attitude. You have proven yourself to be the ah that you appear to be in your posts.
Oh, wow, you were a cop in LA County - you are so bad-ass. /sarc Get over yourself. Many here have been in far worse scenarios, one of my best friends has survived numerous firefights and at least two near death experiences defending our country and has the titanium legs and scars to prove it.
You are so far out of your milieu, you are completely clueless, Your pathetic attempts to validate yourself fall so flat ants wonder what it is they are walking on.
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I will reiterate my points:
- Stab somebody with a knife, someone like me will be showing up.
- Unless you are injured by who you stabbed, it will be a problem. A big problem.
- Self-defense as far as USCCA is concerned, includes to the same degree defense of family members. Double edged weapons are most certainly NOT ideal for this.
- “Left of Bang” as suggested by Alan is absolutely essential. “I’m gonna stand my ground because it’s my right” should not be some kind of hard and fast rule to live by. Especially when accompanied by family.
- “Fight” is usually the third choice, particularly in active shooting situations.
- In the immortal words of Jim Malone, “Why would you bring a knife to a gun fight?”
- No, cops are not better, especially in today’s woke world. But hell yes, we are different.
- It’s that difference that makes so many guys want to join up.
- I was attached to HR for 14 years. I participated in somewhere between 1,500 and 2,000 inter-agency oral board interviews, and I trained 34 officers over the years. Like it or not, I knew who was not up to the job.
- I am quite aware that the three of you would never have been appropriate on the streets based upon your displayed attitudes here, period.
- The inability to discuss and debate a difference of opinion without the personal attacks have never been your strengths over the many of your posts I have read here. On the streets, your attitudes would have gotten you fronted in the locker room or behind the station, because they are dangerous attitudes.
- Finally, I asked the question because I have encountered guys like you before. Several times. I know it is hard to be rejected, but it is something you shouldn’t take personally. Indeed, that attitude is why you were.
I will repeat, “Left of Bang” is essential, first and always.
Toodles…
I think there are a couple good reasons to bring a knife to a gunfight. First and foremost, as you have pointed out, the vast majority of us here are not current or former LEOs so there are many places including entire States where our right to carry a gun is denied.
Also in my martial arts training there are quite a few times when my coach is able to keep me from getting to my firearm. Sometimes responding quickly with strikes can solve this problem but there are other times when I have a good opening to get to my pocket knife which would likely be more effective at dissuading the attacker than my knees, elbows and forehead.
While avoidance and fleeing may be the ideal in most situations (whether or not we have a firearm) if cornered without our firearm or forced to defend our families without one or when not able to get to our firearm, I feel a knife is a viable option. Especially for those who know how to use one defensively.
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LOL Keep telling yourself that.
Yes, we have told you about using situational awareness and avoidance. You are not on a forum with stupid people, stop looking at the mirror, we are not in it. You seemingly have extreme difficulty with reading comprehension. We have many decades of self-defense instruction, shooting, teaching said, learning the associated laws, certifications, practice, life experiences, etc.
No one on this forum is seeking to harm anyone. We are here to learn about self-defense, firearms, laws, situational awareness, and anything else that would improve us and our lives. Again, your being a pompous ass does nothing toward those goals. Your ignorant position that somehow your life experiences makes you better than us is completely asinine. You clearly have failed at reading comprehension and as you have shown utter disrespect for us, none will be given.
If you are feeling rejected and that is difficult for you, maybe this isn’t the place for you. I have no issue with your “rejecting” me. This is an internet forum. Get over yourself. You are not BMOC here, you are just one of many internet trolls we have encountered. Enjoy your little pond where you are king. Based on your posts, that pond only exists in your mind.
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Are illegal in my state. You are a moron. Neither did anyone say anything about those, but you.
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Good reminder Nathan,
But, Isn’t it REALLY on medical: Request medical attention ALWAYS?
after an ‘Attack on your person or family’ You don’t know what ‘SHOCK’
your system is taking. As a Precaution for mental/Physical safety request a Bus.
If you suffer adverse side effects ( some of us are older than dirt) it’s better to be in
a ‘Hospitable’ setting ( rather than an Interrogation room possibly?)
*** Give yourself time to gather your thoughts, calm down, waiting for the Attorney
and away from pressure from the Man to answer their questions?
If I’m incorrect I apologize.
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I don’t think it is request medical attention “always”, for instructional purposes.
Your call.
Requesting your attorney before speaking is more powerful than requesting medical when it comes to gathering thoughts and waiting for an attorney away from pressure to answer questions. Tom Grieve has stated this in ask an attorney and other attorneys have as well.
Absolutely if you think may need medical attention, ask for it.
But I will cooperate AFTER I have my attorney, and not speaking further, is the more powerful ask/statement.
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Post edited by…uh Poster?
New post (see below)
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Cool, NOTED, Implanted in my Memory bank. ----Thank you
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I think I have posted this elsewhere but here is my opinion on the matter for what it is worth (maybe a nickel now in these inflationary times;)-
Having had a heart incident in the past I would consider requesting medical aid for myself if I felt the stress of the incident may have put my heart back into jeopardy. But barring that or other potential injuries I would not request medical attention if I was reasonably sure I didn’t need it.
After spending a total of 17 days in the hospital I can say with some experience that they are a horrible place to spend any time. Something like 250k people die in hospitals every year due to negligence and/or catching diseases they did not have before entering the hospital. Ambulance rides and ER trips are incredibly expensive even with good insurance and the USCCA will not be covering any of that cost. Plus if someone who is not actually having a medical issue calls an ambulance and goes to the hospital they are taking those resources away from someone who may really need them. I spent several of my hospital days in massive pain in a gurney in a hallway because there were not enough rooms and nurses to go around.
Even ignoring all of the above, I suspect that requesting medical attention to try and secure some space and time away from LEOs could lead to increased suspicion and potential legal consequences. Someone in the hospital might overhear something you say while awake or asleep and relay that to LEOs. Seems to me it is a safer idea to just follow the instructions on the back of the card and wait to talk to a lawyer.
Unless of course you really believe that your health has been compromised enough that you need to take a ride to a building full of germs and sick people (physically and mentally) in hopes that the overworked, under rested and stressed out staff can make you better.
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Actually Brother, Your post is where I thought I heard it from
I’m talking myself personally
I have PTS (I’s NOT a DISORDER!)
I figured it might be best if people went to the Emergency room for a bit
(JIC) to chill out NOT for an extended stay Vacation. If My associated panic Attacks
flair up after the Adrenaline dump I’d rather be safe then sorry.
I’m in the double digits for Adrenaline Dumps, I have to be careful these days.
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If anyone on scene is injured, or possibly worse, or you feel that you are having a medical event you should absolutely request medical help. But I have also seen several people around the internet recommend asking for a ride to the hospital even if they know they are perfectly fine just to avoid talking to LEOs. I don’t think that is a good idea.
Once you tell LEOs you want to talk to a lawyer (preferably in front of witnesses) the conversation should be over until the lawyer arrives.
On the topic of PTS have you looked into Operation Save Our Soldiers? I listened to an interview with the some of the people who helped develop the program and it sounds very effective. The treatment is also quick (no long term medication or counseling) and free to participants.
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Excellent advice and Suggestion Kemo-Sabe But no can do for me.
I was a ‘Civilian Contractor’ (Gun for Hire don’t use the ‘M’ word))
Not a Bona fide member of the Armed Forces
**Not eligible for VA bennie’s or their related services.
It’s Ok, I got off ALL med’s (Mental/PAIN) I take zip. Can’t/Won’t Risk my Level3/TS Clearance
having any junk in my system these days. You have a shoot and you have ‘Oxy’ in your blood–Buh Bye!
No Panic attacks for a while’ I’m just not going to take the risk when another shoot happens…'SHOOT HAPPENS! (Oh, I kill me! 
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ENZO UPDATE! BREAKING NEWS! (I always wanted to say that!)
Oh, Absolutely, Check body for holes *scan area for their his/her/them/it’s Friends , then My first phone call is to 911 THEN to USCCA and follow the script on da back of da Card!-FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE LETTER! No FJB 'ad LIBS! and shut da heck up!–GOT IT!
My General always said I wasn’t DENSE! I follow Instructions to the Letter----Except when he ordered me to ‘Bug OUT!’ and leave him (He was wounded). I said something like ‘Phuck NO …SIR!’ and we stood back to back banging away with our guns till no more Bad Guy’s breached the (2) doors.
Scary, Exhilarating, Frightening, Fabulous, Made us feel INVINSIBLE! and when it was over with PILES of bodies around----I wanted to THROW UP!—Adrenaline Dump x’s 10! Some Warrior I am! ‘Hey that was unbelievable!’ and then I almost Chucked on his Boots! 
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At bad breathe range, a knife is as good, arguably, as a gun.
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I’d say that depends, and perhaps the greatest variables are the physical speed and coordination/skill of the wielder. Most self defenders are still probably better off with a firearm if I was to guess due to the frequency with which the attacker(s) is/are younger faster stronger
But the knife won’t jam or run out of ammo so there is that
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I would highly advise anyone and everyone involved in a self defense incident to request medical. For a number of reasons.
- You might be injured and not even realize it.
- You have probably had an absolutely massive adrenaline dump which combines with the physical, and psychological stressors. Which can, possibly, contribute to a stroke or even heart attack.
I have Addison’s so I am always aware of that possibility. But seeking medical is just common sense.
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