@Harvey OK brother, you forced me to read through this “Plan” again. I believe there are adequate laws on the books to support the items you find acceptable. How about the onerous gun laws on the books that only burden currently law-abiding citizens? If you want to help vets specify a non-judgmental package to do only that. Most vets are marginalized as it is. Punish them for admitting PTSD? Same for elderly folks trying to fill out Social Security paperwork.
This “Plan” in toto looks like a tyrannical abolishment of the Bill of Rights.
Absolutely. It’s the draconian COVID measures that did it for me. And BTW, my dad, a WWII vet, is pushing 100 and in a senior living facility. IMO, he’s just as likely to die from influenza as COVID. People get old and they are at risk of death from all sorts of things. I’ll be there myself soon enough. But does that mean you kill the economy, jobs, businesses, and lock people down?
I’ve always been pro-2A but have never had anything more than a deer hunting rifle. No handguns. No semi-auto tactical rifles. That changed for me in early May of this year with the COVID lock-down measures and what IMO was and still is the sheep-like compliance of the majority of the populace.
The AntiFa riots and the statements from a certain political party have only solidified my opinion. Better late than never. But maybe almost too late…for the US as a whole.
How many more laws to restrict law abiding citizens do we need to make people stop doing something that is already illegal? How do we make criminals obey laws?
This crap they propose is not to end or reduce gun violence, it is to slowly but surely end the 2A.
I believe that gun violence is something that truly exists - in movies and music. I want to hold Hollywood and the Music industry accountable for the sewer pipe of gore and gratuitous violence, including that against women. Not restricting freedom of expression at all, but the movie directors and the hip-hop artists would have to label their art as “pornography”.
Taking guns off the streets is impossible without taking gangsters off the streets. I see nothing that would increase punishment for gang-related firearms use, and abolish 0-bail and “revolving door” loopholes for gangsters, regardless of their age.
I want an acknowledgement that minority communities have been affected most, and I want increase in police funding and equipment for these communities. I want an acknowledgement that it is the Democratic leaderships in these communities who are at fault for perpetual failure to deal with the crime epidemic. I want Federal milestones for decriminalization in large cities, and the mayors to be held accountable for failure to meet these milestones. Resign - or face personal responsibility, including jail time.
Instead, I am seeing some weak nonsence about online sales of ammo and hate crime. Blaming everyone, but the source of violence. That proposition is simply a rehash of old ineffective policies, and falls short in my opinion.
Please keep the conversation on track about the policies and politics, not personal attacks against anyone. Y’all are doing a fairly good job of keeping on track with a little personal attack wanderings (yes, politicians are still people) and I appreciate it!
It’s a hot topic and it’s only going to get more intense over the next few weeks. Please don’t let divisive conversation/political agendas get the best of you!
Biden will control guns much like CA does, even if the US was not having an ammo shortage you could get none in CA. Ammo will be extremely taxed, and you will have to pass a background check. Next you will be limited to magazines with 5 rounds or less keeping in line with revolvers.
If you don’t want this to happen get out and make the case against Biden, and vote Rep.
Its up to us to save our rights and freedoms that makes this Country GREAT.
Very true,
They do not hold the automobile manufacturer for the illegal or criminal use or reckless use of their product, the person who was operating the vehicle is held accountable, the same with EVERY other product.
But, firearms, seems to be a product that the operator or user is not responsible for their own actions and the manufacturer is.
What are YOUR thoughts on this? That seems like a better question because it seems like you might be ok with some of this crap. If so, I’d be more interested in YOUR opinion to see if we can offer some information that might change your mind before the election?
hey @Jeff-A1 I believe we are on the same page. I was replying to the OP which it seems is a copy/paste of Joe Biden’s gun control plan from here → https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
I don’t want to speak for @Ben_Blanc but I believe he was asking “out of this list of things from Biden, is there anything that we are OK with?”. I believe looking for common ground.
To that end, i replied to each of the bullet points from Biden’s plan and (i suck at math) over 90% of it is completely unacceptable. There are a few things I was OK with, as I pointed out. The Veteran topics, I was pointing out the current policy and my concerns with them. I will go back and edit those points to be sure to add “Unacceptable” so its a bit clearer.
@Harvey I appreciate your effort. When I read this plan I see criminalize firearms, register firearms, confiscate firearms…but “We respect the Second Amendment”. In what alternate universe?
My question is always 'why don’t they prosecute the existing laws?"
The guy in Kenosha that got shot in the arm by Kyle R was a convicted felon in the possession of a firearm, yet was not charged with any crime. felon.brandished.glock.at.a.minor. Bizarro world.
NFL referees are less biased than public prosecutors. At least in football you can have offsetting penalties!!!
Sorry OldGnome, I was asking the original poster since much of what he wrote in there and included was pure nonsense and rhetoric that the left has been spewing for a while. My reason for asking HIS opinion was because most of us already know the truth and can provide details to support our decisions. The fact that he/she was asking for our opinions made me think they didn’t have answers themselves and therefore I’d be interested to see what they thought might be a good idea so we could discuss it openly and possibly help redirect them in a more logical way.
