4 intoxicated kids each with a least one gun in a single car obviously willing to shoot, hell, they did it with a cop watching. So picture this, Imagine for a moment if you will, there you stand, under fire by four intoxicated kids, probably gang banger. You with your sub compact EDC with an extra magazine for a total of 14 rounds. My point is this, they probably had 50-75 rounds in the car, 3 handguns with 10-12 rounds a rifle with 30 rounds. Your 14 rounds unless precisely placed, under fire, aren’t going to do you much good. I like to think I can defend myself but, you know, in some circumstances, I’m running fast and far.
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Discretion remains the best form of valor.
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Ah, the effectiveness of gun control, keeping handguns off the hands of persons under 21 years of age.
I thought this thread was:
Ammo I need = X + 1
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Perfect example of
Doing stupid things, with stupid people,at a stupid place and time.
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While I was an active uniformed Police Officer I carried 46 9mm rounds for my Glock 19 and 10 38spl +P rounds for my backup 38 Special Smith&Wesson Chief revolver. 56 total rounds. Now as a retired LEO I carry 24 rounds including my backup magazine.
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I don’t carry a spare mag. Reloads are rare in self defense. I just typically carry a 19x with 17+1. If that’s not enough… than I should have brought a long gun. When I I carried my shield I would carry a spare , but now I only grab my shield if I’m doing deep concealment which I never really have to do. If I’m doing deep concealment, I’d probably skip the mag anyway.
Nothing wrong with carrying more though. I just try to keep it easy. I do have a spare mag set up by my carry gun but I never carry it. The biggest reason people say to carry a spare is malfunctions, but I’ve never had an M&P or Glock mag malfunction.
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Carrying a .45 acp I have 7 rounds in the gun and 7 rounds in the backup mag. I have 6 mags in my get home bag. The question is are you going into a battle with these people or if you start shooting are they going flee like cockroaches when the lights get turned on? How far are you going to get into it with a group of thugs? At what point will you escape and evade?
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Well, Matt Hoover of crs firearms just pointed out in a recent vid that our military averages 250,000 plus rounds per kill, so with 4 kids shooting at me, guess I’d need a million…as it happens, lately I’ve been carrying…SEVEN…'cuz my G43 is so comfortable, and around here, even the bear and coyote are friendly.
Attempt to invade my house…now that’s another story…
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Well when I was in Vietnam my kill ratio was 2 per kill, I carry 8 in my 45acp with 3 magazines, and my backup 9mm high power 18 in that gun with 4 18 round magazines then my back up to my backup s&m model 15 combat master piece in 38 special 6 in the chamber and 6 speedloaders with 6 rounds each. I have never needed all of this because I practice situational awareness and conflict avoidance. But you never know what kind of crazy is out there and when you my have to cross them so trust in your training and most of the time the way you train will dictate how much ammo you would feel comfortable with in your carry. Remember Stay Alert Don’t Get Hurt. 
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I say! Is this strictly combat shooting? How does this compare to WW2 for instance? If this is true, there is work for military strategists here.
On topic. There are 4 of them. You are outgunned. No matter how much ammo you got
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@Mike164 Pretty crazy wild weekend house party, but things like these happens when there’s irresponsible drinking going on unfortunately, but take into consideration the 4 idiots in the car armed to the teeth firing multiple shots for fun to scatter everybody, yeah high tailing out there fast and far would be the best thing to do. Seems that this generation, whatever upbringing it is, just have no sense in their heads, and you get 4 of them together FORGETT IT, they have no heart or consideration for what they head out to do, with no thought of any consequences.
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I trust the rule of thumb that says you need to carry twice as many rounds as there are in magazine of the firearm, this does not include the round in the chamber. For example, when the magazine contains 15 rounds, you should have a minimum of 30 extra rounds available.
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it was known that on Omaha Beach soldiers would get up off the beach having never fired their rifle. It was said that they did not see anything to shoot at and others lost their rifles jumping off the boats when they got to shore.
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I do not see where a reasonable person would even attempt to return fire in this situation as “the people standing around the car suddenly began running in all directions.” Also the story states that after “multiple shots being fired”, with no one injured by the gunfire, the vehicle sped away. As they were driving off, you would no longer legally be able to return fire.
We do not carry so we can get into gun battles with armed thugs who seemed to only be seeking to scare people for “fun”. We carry to protect ourselves and loved ones from an encounter involving great bodily harm or death. However, avoidance is always the best way to resolve a potentially risky situation. If one finds oneself in a situation such as this one, get off the “X”, and find cover. Drawing one’s firearm and shooting in this situation with so many people around would create far greater risk to the innocents than finding cover.
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As many as I want.
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I’m with you, Mike.
Two spare mags or three speedloaders for sure
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I’m much more worried about getting shot/not getting shot, than I am worried about having enough ammo to engage, hit, and stop 4 armed attackers in a car.
Even if I have a Glock 17 and 2 spare mags I don’t think my plan really changes vs just having a G43
Time is much more of a factor than ammo, it seems, and I don’t yet know of any private citizen concealed carrier reloading, ever (for the ammo or for a malfunction)…so how many rounds just isn’t something that, for the way my brain works, concerns me much, at least as it pertains to additional magazines. As long as I have 10 or more in the gun I’m okay with it. Of course, I prefer having 16, and usually do.
So rare as to be non-existent in recorded statistics/incidents
I can literally find more examples of people being hit by meteors
That said, I do not doubt that some private carrier in the US has used a spare mag, and at some point in the future someone will. But, yeah…extremely rare
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8+1- .45 or 10+1+ spare mag… Part of my dress code. I hope I never have to answer that question.
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The only real news I read about a malfunction costing a man his life wasn’t in the context of concealed carry.
He had a knock on his door one evening. When he recognized who it was, he drew his weapon but it malfunctioned. He was shot dead.
IIRC, he was the plaintiff in a robbery case and one of the defendants was the one who tracked and killed him. I’ll post the link if I could find it.
It made me consider a wheelgun for CCW.
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Need? One. Just a question of how many to get to that one. Carrying a spare magazine gives you options. Not carrying doesn’t.
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