From my cold dead hands

@Shawn31 My ancestors in Europe lived under the heel of both Hitler and Stalin. They did not survive by obeying every edict, whim and fart the dictator had emitted. You would simply starve to death if you had. Nor did they antagonize the state security goons at every opportunity.
Be smart. Be safe. Teach your children right.

As for all the car stickers. Sometimes people mean completely opposite to what their sticker or tattoo says. But you already know it, why get excited.

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I’ve read all the comments and this topic further solidified my will to survive and protect, especially given the current situation and what seems to be worsening conditions. I am a caregiver to my mother who is unfortunately blind to the realities related to this topic. She is aware of what’s happening but can’t or won’t fathom the gravity of the situation. Her primary sources of information are TV, but not all of it necessarily local news. Still, people who only watch TV and use it as their primary source are woefully ignorant and unprepared about necessary information needed to make critical choices that can and will affect their life adversely. I read and research a lot every day (been doing it seriously for at least 6 years), and I don’t watch TV, not even Fox News. My mother finally got over her hoplophobia of seeing my guns near me or on me in the home. She is still anti-gun but not like before, especially after I nearly shot one of 4 ex-cons who attempted to invade our home through the rear doors 2 years ago. Her sense of safety and false assumptions about living in a safe and quiet/peaceful neighborhood were completely shattered after that incident. I had taken a few gun classes but nothing prepared me like that day to confront the reality of having to shoot and possibly kill someone if necessary. My dad was in the 82nd and 101st Airborne, so I was always familiar with and had a respect for the military. But I regrettably became slightly left of center at one point in my life, of which I am ashamed even though that was long ago. I am more of an introvert who prefers to do things like hiking or mountain biking alone, so I always avoid conflict even when I’m in the right. And I’ve encountered incidents where I should have been harmed or killed but was always miraculously rescued. These days I dress in pastel or light colors to remain “grey” or anonymous. But I always have my bug-out backpack with weapons in it in the car I drive. No guns since my county prohibits conceal carry but I do have several hunting knives in my bag, and soon a small 12-inch hatchet. I carry a folding knife, mace gel, and a powerful stun-gun flashlight on my body at all times when I leave home. I do practice carrying my pistols at home and sometimes in the patio area. I do the same with my shotgun and rifle sometimes (but never in the patio area!). My primary concern is that my mother won’t likely be on board if we’re confronted with having to make decisions related to this topic; gestapo-like orders that will force us to choose between life, FEMA-like camps, and death. This is probably the most difficult topic for me right now. I don’t trust most of her family, and I believe they will quickly betray me due to their allegiance to all things that are expedient and beneficial for those who betray the Constitution. I’ve already made my peace and am willing to accept the consequences. It’s a very sad and frightening time but one that I had been aware of for decades because of Biblical prophecies and teachings. Some of us will endure tough and trying times, even lengthy ones in some cases, but we will win in the end.

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Even Thomas Sowell was on the dark side once, before he found his way to the light.

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For a substantial period of time in my life a few decades ago I spent a LOT of time in Venezuela. It was an amazing country. Caracas was a vibrant city with incredible culture and entertainment. Thousands were employed by the thriving oil industry and made a great living.

Then Chavez came in…

He opened the borders so illegal immigrants flooded the country.
He gave them all sorts of free benefits so they would owe him and vote for him. This gave him the open door to seize more power. He then altered the framework of the government so his parties will was basically unchallenged.
The people of Venezuela were powerless against this flood and the Chavez government cemented itself into a dictatorship fueled by sham elections.
They nationalized all industries making the people slaves to the government and the rampant corruption of those who complied and became part of the new system.
Most of the intelligent hard working Venezuelans then left the country and what is left is incapable to run the industries they stole so the economy is in shambles and people are starving… but it’s too late now. The freeloaders living off public welfare own the country.

Does this game plan sound familiar?

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Hmm, let me think… :thinking:

It does sound exactly like what the Left is doing in the US…

Color Revolution.

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Recently completed a ‘mandatory’ ethics training. It appears employees are expected to report to the ethics police any coworkers identified on social media engaging is social activist activities that ‘may’ be promoting violence. Now depending on who you ask, that could be a BLM march OR a Trump rally. Intresting implications aye? Especially when viewed in historical context with an eye toward current events. Good thing we can’t imagine anyone ever being immoral enough weaponize such a reporting system… AOC anyone…

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You were there, so you know better what was the tone and feel of the conversation.

Should you tattle on your co-workers, in general? It depends! Here is an example. If you ask me, she has air of being unstable and dangerous, and I completely understand people who didn’t want to be around her in the office.

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Sounds like another “play book” stolen story to me.

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@Fish Four boxes…

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My wife and I are God fearing Americans, my wife is very religious and would never, ever hurt a fly.
One good question deserves another! Have you ever heard of the holocaust? OK, too far back? How about Katrina? Did you see how they threw the elderly to the ground to take away their weapons as roving gangs looted homes and murdered innocent people. That was the epitome of cowardice, you didn’t see them try to remove weapons from the looters and killers. They can come and take them but the barrels are sure to be red hot!
FROM OUR COLD DEAD HANDS WITHOUT ANY EQUIVOCATION,
We’ve had these crazy discussions about the protection of our country and our way of life, as many others are having this discussion. Surely they may be left fatherless, but they hopefully will still be free!
We didn’t choose to speak of these things, it’s been thrust upon us. However if they are coming for us, our rights and freedoms, our religion, she’s agreed and volunteered to take point. Don’t get in her way or my daughters or my grandchildren. They have all had SEAL/SERE type training.

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I think we just lost another box, is this what it feels like to surrender? January 5th means nothing to a cheater, they will take the senate! What box are we at now?

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@Scott52 Still balancing between ballot and jury. Hope all that evidence starts flooding out before the Electoral College casts their votes. Maybe five boxes if you include a casket. Soap. Ballot. Jury. Ammo. Corpse.

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The formal transition has begun, those boxes are empty!

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Freedom has cost barrels of blood so why would any man are women not add their blood to the people that already paid the price for the Freedom we have now I think many will lay down their life to keep the Freedom we have God help us if it comes to that
Rb

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Welcome to the family @Talmage and you are blessed to be here.

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I am thankful to still live in Free Country but paid for with the blood of young men kids mostly bodies torn apart blood soaked ground we live free only to them I see where some say they have children to protect what the hell do they think died for this Freedom I am a busted up old man but if I have to crawl to the fight my boots will be on the ground
Thank you

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Freedom isn’t free. It’s won on the graves and scarred bodies of those who thought enough of their God given rights, to defend what we hold dear. We are coming to a boiling point. Maybe not in our lives, but, we are ever marching closer to the inevitable fact, that some Americans, at some time, will have to fight for freedom in THIS COUNTRY.

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I think we need to consider who many of the people are that use this site. For the most part we are people interested in CCW or LTC . If we have decided to carry and take the training to do so plus invest in USCCA we have a different mindset than much of the population. In theory we are sheepdogs for our family, friends and even the community. So while the statement “From my cold dead hands” can be taken as an idiom it is also based on reality. It just may be we have different levels that will trigger the response of full resistance and self defense. Many of our friends are like sheep and believe they will be protected from the wolves of society by those that have sworn to protect and defend. The question is what happens when they aren’t there to protect your home and family? For some the answer is stamped on their heart, “This I will defend.”

With the conditions we are seeing in some of our cities today I could see a case can be made that we will have to put our training and commitment to practice. Were a large mob of people to march on our homes or try and drag our loved ones out of our car or even break into our business will we simply surrender and hope they don’t beat us to death or hurt our loved one? Or will we do what we have to do relying on our choice to get as much legal protection as we can? I believe if I saw my wife being dragged to the pavement by a club wielding Anarchist that imprint on my heart will come to the forefront, “This I will defend.” Then take my chances in court.

The sheep pretend the Wolf will never come.
The Sheepdog lives for the day.

My opinion anyway.

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Our founding fathers thought freedom was worth dying for. I do too. I am a veteran combat veteran of three tours in Vietnam. A lot of good men died there, trying to keep communism from coming here. have a purple heart, and I took an oath to defend the Constitution of The United States from enemies, foreign or domestic. When I took that oath on entering the army, it did not say it ended. Far as I know and believe, I am still bound by that oath. I was willing to die in Vietnam for my country. I am still ready for my country. My family knows that. I served in the infantry eight and a half years. Would have served thirty, but the army forced me to retire. In spite of the communists and socialists infiltrating our politics I believe in my country. I am willing to die for my country, and if these socialists come to my door, I will die with them. I am 75 now, but I turned 18 in combat.
They will have to take it from my dead hands. I am a firm believer that if the Jews in Germany had killed a Gestop agent or an SS trooper when they showed up, the holacost (don’t know how to spell that) might not have happened.
Rodger Miller

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I sort of remember Irv Rubin stating something like that when he was leading the JDL trying to protect Jewish people from a massive rise in Antisemitism in New York city. For such statements and actions the JDL has been labeled a Terrorist Organization in the US. But that is a story for another time. Still the idea is sound. If it cost anywhere close to 6 million men to kill 6 million Jews they would have stopped well before the concentration camps. It also shows the danger of allowing the government to take away our second amendment rights. Without it there is nothing to fight back with.

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