From my cold dead hands

I hear this alot in the gun community “from cold dead hands” and i think to my self yea right. Its sounds good but I doubt anyone. Who hasn’t served in military or anyone under 50 years of age who says it. I want to ask are you really willing to leave your wife and children fatherless so that you can die holding on to a piece of metal because when they come its at night under Ruiz of a red flag order and you have no back up. Are you truly willing to go to prison or die leaving the ones who need you the most behind .

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To me, and I do not say it, it just means that the person is unwilling to accept unjust laws. How that plays out in real life, that is up to the individual. I do say, I will not comply. I am a member of several rights groups and I am active, contact my reps, and vote. I will engage people that are willing to listen, and I have gotten people trained and to the range; though most of those were not initially anti-gun. Most people are willing to listen and learn when information is provided in a non-confrontational way; the honey instead of vinegar method does work.

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Who are you to ask? What gives you the right to ask another these questions?

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“And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”

Growing up I can remember my father, career Air Force officer, always had a pistol under the drivers seat. As I got older and started to understand gun laws I began to question this in my mind. Then while living in Ocean City NJ. I learned how serious it was to carry a pistol in the car without permit. One day I asked him why he did not get a permit. His answer was a simple. “Son, I went into combat to protect our way of life. I took a oath to defend it. I do not require permission from government to carry or have a firearm. I was willing to lay my life down to protect and defend and I am still willing to do so.” As the years went by I began to fully appreciate his words. I believe they were much the same that came from our founding fathers. I try to stay within the laws governing firearms. I don’t make wild statements or threats of violence. I believe Americans will come together and say this is enough…

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I think it implies they are willing to die defending their God given freedoms. Also, it’s not just the guys, or for that matter the “adults.” In our nations history, tyrannical actions have not discriminated again the ladies, or the kids. Waco, Ruby Ridge, and countless Native American tribes have seen government forces commit acts of violence against those very citizens of this nation. I believe we may see a time, in this generations life, that we see it again.

Enemies foreign, and domestic.

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I am nobody I have neither served our great country or am i above the age of 50 and what gives me the right is I and them are freely engaged in a conversation and I can ask and thing I want its up to them to answer or not

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Is that phrase stated by some without any real conviction or thought of consequences? Yep absolutely.

Same that might be said of those who wrap themselves in Molon Labe and/or Don’t Tread regalia.

However there are those that have thought about it, calculated the consequences and are very serious about the length they will go.

As @Dave17 stated it will be dependent individual to individual and circumstance to circumstance.

You seem to imply that it’s just about “holding on to a piece of metal” but it’s not just about that. It’s about removing what the piece of metal enables a person to do and that is to defend themselves and fight back against an oppressive government. If the government is breaking in to your home to take your guns, do you do nothing? What about when they come back and break in to take all of your food…or water…where does it stop? Yes that’s hyperbole to an extent, but once your ability to defend yourself fight back is lost/taken, then you are at the mercy of whatever power took them.

I don’t think it’s anything that a reasonable person wants (again as @Dave17 has implied) and that dialogue and not complying is preferred…but if the State is willing to break down a person’s door in the middle of the night armed without warning taking away Constitutionally protected rights…well then what? The courts…elections?

A service man/woman who leaves his/her family and services or LEOs when they leave the house…they’re potentially leaving behind the ones who need them the most, how is this different?

Not making a statement per se, just asking questions…

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The difference is the military service and duty to our country and Constitution also working in other countries have opened there minds to what a hell hole a country can become and they dont want that for us

And the police in force unconstitutional laws and are exempt from most gun laws the average citizen has to abide by you see more and more where police are letting trump supporters get jumped and beat told to stand down an doing just that

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I hear what you all are saying… I’d hope that I’d have the same fortitude as our Founding Fathers. Personally, I would not want to go into combat with most of today’s youth. Public schools, the lame-stream news and major media outlets are teaching today’s youth to hate American and all it stands for (of course, they’ve no clue what America stands for).

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Most people who accept the police as always do-gooders don’t realize that these are the very same people who WILL go door to door and forcibly separate you from your firearms. If you want an advanced education on the topic, just study hurricane Karina. The only person who refused to confiscate firearms was transferred elsewhere. There were plenty of Oath-breakers to take his place.

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This phrase has to be taken in context.
Study the life of Geronimo, the Nez Pierce, Hmong, Cristeros, Musa Dagh, and the Warsaw uprising.
People will die holding on to a piece of metal because they have lost all those they held dear because of tyranny

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I don’t think anyone wants that (at least most reasonable folks). But what if it comes? Lay your arms down and do nothing? Is that what the Kurds did in Iraq? Is that what the Syrian rebels are doing in their homeland currently?

Remember that line under the 2nd Amendment that talks about a “well regulated militia?” Well who is the militia? We my friend…are the militia (and when I say we I mean every U.S. citizen of age).

So what part of “shall not be infringed” should the average citizen have to abide by? Ok, I know it’s another common mantra over the last few years, but really, it’s right there in the Constitution. And doesn’t the fact that more and more people are being harmed during public events and LEO being directed to stand down by their local politicians not make the case that people need their arms more than ever? Think Rittenour would have survived that attack without a firearm?

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OH MY GOODNESS!!! Preach it Brother :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: I’ll let you protect my 6 o’clock any time.

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Well said. I did not have the honor of serving in the military, different time in my life, different attitude and goals + a father that did not support that path and actively blocked it when I brought it up as my chosen option. I wish I had fought harder for myself at the time.

BUT, when my children BOTH said that it was their path I strongly encouraged it and supported their efforts. Got all the grey hairs to prove it. If I was willing to sacrifice my kids why would I not be willing to sacrifice myself for what I believe in.

I have a lifetime of personal experience in my hands and at this time in my life I know thee levels of my convictions and fortitude very well. I have looked down the barrel of a gun pointed at me a few times and found that it did not shake me at all. Because of my faith I have no fear of death, but I truly dread failure.

But of these things I’m sure:

  • First of all I love and trust God implicitly, my life is his to do as he wishes!
  • Second, I would give all without a second hesitation for my family.
  • And last but not least, I would do whatever it takes to preserve my country from her enemies, foreign and domestic because I have seen the alternatives in many other countries I’ve been in, and it will not happen here on my watch.
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In a word, YES.

My family and I have talked about it.

Don

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We may be challenged with this decision in the near future. The country is at a turning point in history. A swindled election. The swindlers support violence for political gain. The same party has made their intentions clear on gun confiscation. All they require now is total obedience. Covid-19 mandates highlight that demand. I’m not in favor of “We The Sheeple”. Younger generations have been indoctrinated to think communism is utopia. The “communists” even laugh at that. My generation grew up fighting socialism, communism and totalitarianism. Don’t see a need to change now.

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I am just like @Dave17. I will not comply.

I just don’t feel like I can comply and then risk what may come next. There are things in this life that are worth dying for.

Freedom is one of them. To me, it has to be that way. That is how I understand patriotism.

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Indeed.

Been to several countries with , shall we say, less than ideal levels of freedom and liberty, and have been in countries overrun with corruption and some in the throes of civil unrest and violence. This nation is the last, best, hope for freedom and liberty.

I would say, your comment hit the nail on the head… or put it better, put it through the X

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Let me see if I can express this properly.

It is NOT a piece of metal. It could be considered a metaphor, to cover the willingness to stand for and fight for the RIGHTS, FREEDOM, and LIBERTY, we each have and are guaranteed by the Constitution. Defend the rights. Defend the freedom. Defend the Liberty. And be willing to sacrifice all, to defend those and not succumb to or comply with tyranny and be made into a prisoner or slave for the government.

In this phrase is also a clear meaning, as the entire statement is ‘You can have my firearm when you pry it from my cold dead hands’… meaning, I / We will fight unto death to defend our rights, liberty and freedom, and to preserve the Constitution and the Republic. If the government is tyrannical, and not only abusing it’s powers, but ignoring the entire Constitution and we cease to have a rule of law, and are subject to execution on the whim of someone in power, we either fight or kneel.

There are those willing to fight and die on their feet instead of living on their knees… fight instead of surrendering and living in fear, and slavery, marched to a camp… and live at the mercy and whim of someone else who has total control and power over you, making your life an abject misery.

Some would also say, Live Free of Die. Same concept.

Does that make sense? We each must choose. Fight for freedom and liberty, or comply and submit.

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An honest question at an appropriate time. And as others have already replied, it is about much more than a piece of metal.

I acknowledge it’s easy to talk tough as a “keyboard warrior”. “Live free or die” and “Give my liberty or give me death” are two sayings that get right down to the heart of the matter.

So what is worth dying for? If you are older and an empty-nester, is it easier to go down with guns blazing defending your 2A rights, than if you have young kids at home who still rely on you? How does an active duty soldier with kids back home answer that same question?

Some things ARE worth dying for. And the sacrifice is not just on your part, it is on the part of your family too.

There are enemies foreign and domestic, there is evil, there is just plain ignorance, and there are the brutal political ideologies that never seem to die, and that have infiltrated and infected the United States. Do I surrender to them? When the government comes for my guns, do I hide what could be cowardice on my part under the pretense of something more “noble”?

Would I shoot to defend my wife and family in a valid self defense situation? Absolutely. Would I shoot to defend an inalienable right that a fallen and corrupt government wants to take away? Or would I instead surrender in exchange for what would most definitely be only a very short-term peace? I think history is clear on the fate of those who surrender.

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