Civil War, is it inevitable or avoidable?

I feel that we are now more than ever before edging closer to open Civil War.
Even during the turbulent 60’s our great nation has never been more divided than it is now.
After the Bundy ranch standoff where I saw everyday Law-abiding citizens going toe to toe with Federal agents, granted there were some zealots among the group but for the most part just ordinary citizens.
Since then the American people have been getting pushed hard by the Radical Left, I.E Red Flag Laws, Sanctuary cities and states and tax payer paid provided legal defense for Illegal aliens, more gun control laws, gun owners and gun organizations being labeled as terrorists. the list is long!
How much farther are the American people going to be pushed before pushing back?

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Avoidable, in fact IMO it’s imperative that it’s avoided.

We have Russia, China, Iran and other Countries who count us as allies that are waiting with baited breath for the U.S. to fall upon itself so they can pounce in and stake their own claims…West Coast goes to China…Russia takes the Mid-Atlantic North (maybe the entire East Coast), Canada and Mexico divide the middle (maybe AL, MS, LA, TX, AR, OK, MO, KY, TN might be able to create a united group of States as might ID, MO, WY). All in the name of aligning with one side or the other or providing humanitarian relief. (it wouldn’t be an outright military attack for US forces to fight against it would be political/diplomatic).

We still have an check and balance Government and lots of ways to push back without engaging in a civil war (Dems have been proving that for the last 3yrs). Even if a Dem wins the WH in 2020, we have the opportunity to balance that with the House and Senate. If the Dems win all three in 2020, we have two years to wait through to rectify that…or 4yrs to rectify an Executive Branch out of control.

All of that is with the caveat that whatever administration is in power does not attempt to execute Francis’ idea of executing home by home search and seizures. It’s also contingent on the 2nd Amendment not being abolished through Constitutional process (in which case we would have no longer have Constitutional protection of that right).

I think our Country tends to swing in reactions culturally and politically…the pendulum swing from the 60’s/70’s was the 80’s/90’s…the swing from the 80’s/90’s is what we’re seeing now (which I’m hoping is the end of this cultural trend and we swing back to a more conservative cultural shift). You have President Clinton…then President Bush…then President Obama…I think President Trump is the pendulum swing from President Obama’s 8yrs.

But again, it’s imperative IMO that we keep dialogues going, resist taking extreme positions or reacting in extreme manners. Because if we don’t and a civil war does occur, there will be no American winners (despite rhetoric from either side).

My two cents friend.

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No it isn’t inevitable but, and I don hate to say it, next summer is going to make the summer of 68 look like a hippie peace rally.

We must stand above it all until we have absolutely no choice.

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Right now the ballot box is our strongest voice. Until something happens like doing away with the electoral college, we have a chance of avoiding it.
If things swing towards socialism, all bets are off in my opinion.

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ANTFI and other radical leftist are pushing us to CW. They are aided by the media who fail to realize that freedom of speech will be one of the first casualties should our Constitution fall. God help us all.

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I think there are groups on both extremes who are very interested in fomenting a civil war. To what purpose escapes me, but I like to believe I’m a logical thinker. That might be my block to understanding the purpose.

I firmly believe that if the US collapses into civil war, it would spark WWIII…and no good end would come of that. 200 years of rebuilding from essentially the 18th Century, but with a smaller population.

I think it’s avoidable, but the extremists at both ends of the scale need to ratchet back their rhetoric, something I don’t think is going to happen. Add into that the federal government’s increasing intrusion into private and corporate lives, and I think civil war in the next 50 years might be just barely avoidable.

One of the few ways could avoid civil war with the current volatile environment is with a significant scientific advancement, such as nearly-free energy, faster-than-light space travel, or something even the sci-fi authors haven’t yet considered. One other way is a significant natural event - a big earthquake hits the Western US or China, enough to disrupt a significant portion of the world’s economy. As humans have shown in the past, I think we would band together to rebuild.

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I think it’s safe to say that there is fear in our voices as the future of 2020 draws closer. The left is actually begging for war or for us to come out of our shells so they can say “see, they are all crazy”.
Hope and talk will not save us at the goal post, we are one yard from socialism and or a fight to keep this great nation of ours free. I feel the checks and balances are being eroded as we speak as seen by the likes of Schiff, Pelosi, Schumer, Harris and of course special guest stars AOC and her friends. Let’s not forget about the violence inciting Maxine Waters and Rashida Tlaib.
Free speech is already gone!
How did we let it get this far and seriously what do we do about it! Do we all meet up in Kansas on November 6th at 3:00, because I don’t think we can have a civil war from our individual doorsteps.
The Posse Comitatus act of 1878 will be the last joke on late night TV. Let the purge begin.
Forget the ammo, I keep thousands of bottles of Tabasco sauce on hand, I hear it’s good on dog and rat!
People in this country may think that statement is a joke, but I’m sure if you ask the people in Venezuela they are not laughing.
I served this country and took an oath! No surrender, no retreat!
There may be a solution to all this! Drop California out of the United States, remove all forms of the constitution from the state stop the flow of tax dollars, allow all republicans to leave the communist state and build the wall on the east side of California. If socialism actually does work, maybe I will move to California?
Or keep things as they are and continue to let in as many illegals the left wants and open the gates! Then institute mandatory constitutional carry for all natural born American citizens over the age of 18. Now it’s beginning to look and feel like the old Wild West.
I hope I’m alive to see this movie. The Manchurian Impeachment
I lived through the sixties, the only comparison I can make is “Pretty Woman” and now “Mad Max”
I think I should shut up now. Maybe just lock and load and hope for the best! I will have your six when the time comes!

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I agree with that so, so much!!! ^^^^^

While, I like the word revolution more than civil war…If it came down to it and I mean really came down to it, lets hope its a revolution, not another civil war.

However, one should be advised that based on statistics “the people” and not the American Military, would actually win the fight…
How they based the mathematical figures was based on the taliban pushing russian forces out. Also look how long we have been fighting the wars in the middle east…all to a few thousand with an AK-47 and explosive knowledge.

It’s all because of un-modern warfare.

Now, I do not want us to go to this…
WE HAVE OPTIONS! A LOT OF BLOODSHED WOULD OCCUR AND ALSO WOULD CREATE THE AMERICAN SHORELINES VULNERABLE TO OUR ENEMIES.

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One election is going to change everything. If it isn’t the one coming, it will be another one dead ahead. The demographics of the country are shifting to the point where the changing mindset of the population will alter government into one that won’t be freedom/rights/responsibility oriented. That is unless by some miracle they embrace a lesson from history of the capabilities of an unrestricted government. A sizeable challenge in its-self, considering things that are being taught in PIF (Political Indoctrination Facility) – once called a school, a place of open discourse and reflection. And if that past isn’t learned by reason and logic, the only option is by experience. When the scale is finally tipped enough to neutralize our constitution, its rights (all of them) will be gone until re-won, and quite possibly just gone. So says history.

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Personally, I can see that. The world is watching the US implode - and it’s not because of our gun laws. It’s because of hate and intolerance. (Which is part of the reason I push so hard on everyone here to be respectful of other’s views, even if you don’t agree.)

I don’t want to be Canadian-eh :frowning:

From your fingers to everyone’s hearts and minds and mouths. :pray:

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Sorry but doing away with the ELECTORAL COLLEGE is not the answer. And our FOUNDING FATHERS knew it. Just look at the picture. If the ELECTORAL COLLEGE was ABOLISHED then ALL OF THE BLUE SPOTS WOULD ELECT THE PRESIDENT. AND ALL OF THE GREY WOULD HAVE NO SAY IN IT. And ALL of the BLUE IS HELD BY DEMOCRATS. That these days have become MORE SOCIALIST LEANING, ANTI-GUN, AND ANTI-AMERICAN CITIZENS. And more PRO-ILLEGAL ALIENS than ever before. And in order to ABOLISH the ELECTORAL COLLEGE there would have a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT PASS BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS AND THEN BE RATIFIED BY 2/3 OF THE STATES TO BECOME LAW. And that will not happen.

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@Scott52, what you say is good. And getting rid of the Constitution is not a good idea. Our FOUNDING FATHERS did put a way for WE THE PEOPLE to rain in a FEDERAL GOVERNMENT that has gotten out of control or to powerful. And they did put it in the Constitution as well. And it is ARTICLE V CONVENTION OF STATES. And ARTICLE V says that if 34 states pass resolutions calling for A CONVENTION OF STATES. Then Congress HAS TO CALL ONE. And in the CONVENTION OF STATES the STATES CAN MAKE CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS THAT CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT CANNOT OPPOSE. And right now there are 15 states that have already passed the resolutions calling for a CONVENTION OF STATES. And I’ve seen that a few more are in the process now. I’m a volunteer for CONVENTION OF STATES now. And I see as a way to take back my country and to stop the democrats in their tracks. And anyone that wants to help is welcomed to join. The Convention of States web site is " www.conventionofstates.com". And when there please sign the petition as well.

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It takes 2/3 rds of the House and Senate then 2/3rds of the States to change the Constitution. I don’t believe that will ever happen. However, when you hear the left crying about fairness and equality their ultimate goal is to overturn the Constitution by means other than those provided for by the founding fathers (the ones they refer to as old white men). If we do reach that point and are forced to defend freedom we must or forever be known as the generation that let freedom slip away.

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@Michael7 no it doesn’t take 3/4 of both Houses to pass any Constitutional Amendment Laws made by a CONVENTION OF STATES. Congress HAS TO EXCEPT THEM AS LAW BECAUSE THE STATES HAVE ALREADY PASSED THEM WHEN THEY MADE THEM. And it was done by 3/4 of the states.

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The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.Aug 15, 2016

Are you sure about that? I dont think you read my post correctly.

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Reloader, I think we are talking about two of the four ways to change the Constitution. I just dont think any of them would succeed in abolishing the electoral college.

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I don’t see 75% of the states agreeing on the time of day, let alone a constitutional amendment.

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I think @John150 would agree with you and is saying that IF they do abandon the electoral college then that would be another step towards a civil war.

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@Michael7 Where I’m getting my info from is from the U.S. Constitution itself.
And it is found under Article V of the Constitution. And yes States do send delegates to the Convention that they elected or designate to be delegates. But it the states that have the power under any laws or amendments made at a CONVENTION OF STATES. And not Congress.

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@Michael7 what you posted is a CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. And it is different from a CONVENTION OF STATES.

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