but a lack of training in regards to our 1st Amendment rights wouldn’t potentially hurt someone
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i agree with everything you said, especially the last part. if you’re responsible with your rights and respect others’ rights, you’ll be fine. if you hurt someone while exercising your rights, you’ll suffer consequences. i like that.
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Are you sure? How many people have been driven to suicide by mental/emotional bullying?
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Not entirely true. If you look at the rhetoric politicians are using and some of violent acts that have been fueled by that rhetoric. There is a very strong case that words can in fact lead to people being hurt or killed.
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i agree with you and Sheepdog. just trying to get you and myself to question our beliefs.
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there are some related threads running - you might want to read some of the conversation here, it’s been pretty interesting:
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■■■■, should have looked first. sorry and thank you zee 
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I understand that and am always open to listening to opposing view point. But there are some things I’ve made up my mind on and not gonna change. That being said tho I am open to hearing all sides of an issue in a respectful way
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@Liam, no worries at all 
the various threads all take different angles and aspects, so there’s plenty to dig into 
It’s been pretty interesting and I’ve found my thinking being challenged a lot - some of it hasn’t moved, but some things have. And I’m finding I’m a lot clearer about what I believe and how to articulate it.
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You won’t find anyone here disagreeing that people should get as much training as they can. The problem comes from government mandated training. All of a sudden any informal training, even conducted by instructors is null and void. By mandating training you are actually putting it out of reach financially for some people and that is a bad thing.
When I took my CPL course I was barely able to set aside enough money for it, the ammo and the cost of the license. I do not believe that the one “official” course I’ve taken is enough. I’m now looking in to more official training and the costs are still prohibitive even though my family is doing better financially now. I’m looking at stocking up on ammo and things i need to take a course, and then later saving up for one. Add in government mandates and now things get even messier.
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that’s what im trying to do: figure out my beliefs. listening to others’ and sharing my own so far has been helping out
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i get that completely. it being so expensive would make it hard, and how much training would be considered enough to take a gun out? who decides that?
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https://angelfireammo.com/9mm-115gr-fmj-1000-rd-case/
I can afford this ammo right now, but the problem is that i train myself as often as possible using different drills i find here, other firearms pages and from instructors with youtube pages. In a month, i wont have half of that left and most courses beyond standard cpl training require 500-1000 rounds.
Who decides when you have enough training and who decides how much you have to spend?
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I hope your children have the same mindset as you do! We need more youth who know what the Constitution was meant to protect. Not what the schools today want you to think it is meant to do.
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Working on generations 3 and 4 
my granddaughter is becoming quite the skilled shot and carries all the time. And the great-granddaughter is just 6, but she has her own pink eyes and ears, a rubber band pistol, and knows the 4 safety rules
We’re waiting for her to ask, but there will be a Daisy pink BB gun in her future. 
It’s been really interesting teaching my granddaughter, she’d never shot before this year, and shes doing great. She asks great questions, and we talk about situations, how to stay safe, staying legal, our rights and responsibilities… very cool stuff.
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Training for a training I’m going to in a couple month, and that’s where I just ordered my training ammo from… AngelFire
Hope to one day find a good woman with a similar mindset as you and your family seem to posses on the Constitution and our Rights… then I can start my own little generation of “rebels” lol.
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@MoonWolf, those kinds of young women are out there. I highly recommend the midwest, country areas (stay out of the cities) for sensible ideas and people who understand that self sufficiency, personal integrity, communities, and constitutional rights matter.
Missouri isn’t full yet… we’ve got room any time you want to join us!
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Sadly my heart is drawn by the mountains in the Northeast. I often tell people I probably will end up settling somewhere north and/or east of Tennessee. Smoky Mountains, Adirondacks (if NY actually respected my rights I would probably live there) and the Appalachian chain… But yes I have to keep at it until I find the right one. @Dawn, maybe the USCCA can take one a dating version of constitutional carry
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