Must of missed that one when I was in the hospital. Will have to see if I can find it!
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Not to set anybody off but it strikes me as hypocritical that the same people who are politically outraged by someone who uses a gun to kill innocent strangers in mass shootings are the same ones that have no problem with killing innocent people in the womb.
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Any video evidence from that event has been redacted so people have a harder time pointing out the inconsistencies. There is proof that shooting may of been faked with fake stories, the 911 tapes and calls donāt match up with video evidence.
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I agree. I forget which movie but I like the line John Wayne said:
Weāll give you a fair trial and a decent hanging.
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Yup, two to the chest one to the head. Or we can do like our parasite king said āshoot them in the legā.
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Iām not interested in Alex Jones theories about Sandyhook, Iām just saying that the bills they pushed in the wake of the school shootings would have done nothing to prevent the incident. Thatās been a fairly consistent pattern following mass shooting events.
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In the meantime, hereās the weekend mass shooting event you wonāt read about, because the victims fought back.
Churchgoers hog-tie gunman after shooting in California kills one | Reuters
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In this case one in the head might be a problem, once that freak was wearing a helmet.
Either precise head shot or few rounds in the pelvis could end that attack.
Tactics are great, but sometimes improvisation is needed as well.
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I found it funny the very first thing out of the left was āwhite supremeistā. Then I hear it was an asian guy that had adopted those views. Of course only white ppl are racist. 
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It was mentioned in this thread about how evil people can be
and yelling FIRE
hereās a link [picture heavy] of the Italian Hall Fire and what the cause was
also this was a reason for commercial buildings to have out swinging doors.
Mike
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When it comes from the topā¦ I think itās time to prepare ourselves for that ideology! If Iām lucky I wonāt have to worry about it, for I am āUltra MAGA!ā The only super powers I possess are being married 34 years, 3 children, 10 grandchildren and a mean BBQ sauce!
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Itās already here! Listen to Bela Pelosi, our parasite king in office, AOC, Shummer and others. I only wonder how long our current US will last before there is a civil war and we are broken into 3-5 separate countries. I was talking to a guy that said āweāre already in a Cold Civil War.
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Serious question hereā¦should his presence on a watch list, even more a half dozen watch lists, have prevented his purchase of weapons and/or ammo?
And what would legitimately put someone on a watch list? How far should that go?
The age old question, what should reasonably disqualify someone from purchasing, owning or possessing firearms?
My 87 year old father with Alzheimerās cannot. Iām OK with that - he would not know how to use it safely.
Convicted felons cannot. Iām ok with that with some exceptions. Felons whose crimes were not violent and did not involve firearms should arguably still have protected 2A rights.
What about people with some emotional health disorders (thatās my field of work as a mental health therapist) such as schizophrenia, Bipolar I, antisocial personality disorder (these folks have no conscience), major depressive disorder?
What about people who donāt have the āright thoughtsā, like people who write anti-government manifestos, or white supremacy manifestos? Now weād be infringing on at least TWO constitutionally assured rights!
Given our constitutional guarantees, I donāt think we can limit 2A for responsible gun-owners. And given the reality that there are bad guys with guns and they shouldnāt HAVE guns, I donāt think we can just throw up our hands and say āOK, everybody gets to buy them, cradle to grave, regardless of anything at all.ā
What do we all think is the balance?
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Iām not sure where you read that he was Asian. Itās possible, I guess, but I havenāt seen anything that would indicate he has Asian heritage. He was a self-described white supremacist, antisemite, and fascist. Most of the press is ignoring that in his so-called āmanifesto,ā he also raged against Fox News.
Not that his skin color matters, except to the press selling headlines. If we found out tomorrow that he was actually a large Smurf, it wouldnāt bring back the people he killed.
Iāve shared multiple times some advice I got from a psychologist: donāt try to understand crazy. If we could actually understand this personās motives, then weād have to question our own sanity. Youāll note that every time a crazy person does something bad, the press dwells on that personās motives. That should give you pause on the quality of people who deliver our news.
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That is from a different shooting, church in Laguna Beach CA.
If they are good enough to be on the āwatch listā, they are good enough to be arrested on the spot or committed on the spot. This is yet another Parkland, arrested for threats of school shooting, hospitalized for mental eval. No followup from law and order. WHY?
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Agree that we donāt need more laws we need the laws we have to be enforced. Threatening to kill people is a crime that should have been dealt with not booted around the mental health system with no legal consequences or oversight.
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For a not too distant future example of ineffective courts and policing leading to preventable violence I can share the story of my wifeās friend. Her ex husband jumped on board the conspiracy theory crazy train a couple years ago. Culminating in stalking her and putting trackers on her vehicle followed by kidnapping her son and attempting to take him across state lines. This resulted in not one day of jail time. He got probation and sent to a psych eval where they could not diagnose him because he refused to answer any questions. Part of his probation was an order to turn over his firearms but during his kidnapping attempt he went to several friends houses and hid his guns there. He only turned in about half of the firearms he was known to own. The police have made no attempts to get the rest of them. Only a matter of time before this escalates.
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First let me say sorry about your dad. At 99 1/2 my father in law passed from the same!
Second, your question is hurting my brain! We canāt stop all psychotic personalities from acquiring weapons. Any weapons, ie: hammers, poison, nuclear! Without guns they will find a way. Nature always finds a way!
Third, they are placing innocent parents who are standing up for their childās upbringing on terror watchlists.??? I expect, soon, every āUltra MAGA will be on a terror watch list. This was and is their plan!
We are just creatures of this earth with a modicum of respect for each other, opposable thumbs, language and a philosophical outlook on life, liberty and the pursuitā¦
At some point we thought that the death penalty would be a deterrent, incarceration, interventions then community outreaches. I think we have to realize that, for lack of a better word, we are animals.
We just have better coping mechanisms and then there are the outlierās. Those that cannot be controlled.
There are beautiful wild elephants in the world and then there is the rogue, wild and destructive ( serial killer ) elephant. Even when he is put down, by humans or his own kin, will that ever stop another elephant from going rogue? I think not!
Like many, many people have said, just consistently enforce the laws on the books.
But now we start to get into the haves and have nots. Lower class, middle class, upper class and then the ultimate āabove the law classā, which sadly exists.
Lower class gets the appointed lawyer, middle class retains the lawyer, upper class is the lawyer, above the law class, gets their butts kissed by the lawyer! But if I were an elephant, Iād be merrily on my way to the next watering hole without a care in the world.
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Donāt they have red flag laws in New York as well, plenty of evidence that the nutcase was up to something, including a stay at a mental health facility and nothing was done.
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I mostly agree. Existing laws are not well-enforced.
How do we identify guys like Payton Gendron? Can we accurately identify them? How will we accurately identify āradicalā views that will lead to violence? And if we deny those people so identified, will that really stop them from otherwise obtaining weapons, firearms in particular? I doubt it.
Having more laws that punish people more severely? Does that really work?
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