Alec Baldwin - All the Justice Money Can Buy

Because, according to witnesses, they were using the “prop guns” to target shoot.

Can’t remember if it was the day before or just mere hours before but that would be why.

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Did here something about it but i would think " someone " is responsible besides actors to verify what is in any gun.

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Personally, and it’s just my opinion,( however I truly hope most people will share my opinion) Although I really like movies about the old west, I will not spend my hard earned money viewing this movie. Not at the theater, not on streaming, not even when it becomes the abc movie of the week (if they still do that). Call it a boycott if you like but I call it morals. Truthfully though, even if this tragedy never happened I still probably wouldn’t patronize anything with alec in it . he is quite the jackal.

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Yes Sir Eugene49,
I WILL NOT VIEW this movie in any form and give a murderer a single nickel of my money… why? because he used his earnings from previous films to pay of the Santa Fe Courts, (DA’s office), witnesses, anybody who wanted to still work in that incestuous business ever again. Power, Influence, greed etc… Poor Halyna Hutchins even your husband took the (30) pieces of silver to better his career (and bank accounts) literally over your dead body. What a wretched human being you are Mr. He “whowillneverbenamed” again from my lips. there has to be 'Lines in the sand in a world gone WOKE . Black is White, up is down, Confused/deranged men/women…This is one of my lines. I LOVE movies, they saved my ass through (13) leg operations and (2) years of recovery. When I got out I even bodyguarded for some of these vermin. They aren’t all bad. You can easily tell from their home addresses/states they live in. The one’s outside hollyweird are usually considered good ones. Those actor’s treated their gardeners w/ respect/care. AB takes the cake in slug-crawling he will do anything he wants as long as he can get away with it. Not on my nickel.

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There is an entire Network of people that are responsible before it gets to the Actor using it. Starting with the Property master (they OWN the whole operation) who should over see it all then the Armorer/Assistant Armorer (Reed didn’t have any assistant/helper), then it falls to the Ad (assistant director) who checks the shell casing, Then there is a ‘Grip’ who should hold the gun when the actor finishes ‘getting ready’ to shoot the scene and take it back after ‘cut’. There should always be a ‘marking’ totally visible from the cylinder/magazine @ just a glance, you don’t see that marking/ band/dot that gun should be taken out off the set and inspected. It SHOULD be fool proof! But they apparently had live fire target practice using the same guns they filmed with !,Stupid. Bullets left unguarded/out of the Armorer’s safe/unattended. Bad JUJU all around. On the Lone Survivor, Sicario 1 & 2, No Country for Old Men etc they had Harry Humphries and fmr. Navy Seals handling the work load. These guys are the best! Not one cocky kid (Reed) doing it all, There were NO mistakes on set. Actors, Directors, Peter Berg were dead serious ALL the Time when they broke the firearms out.
Marcus Luttrell (LS) was there training the actors up, how to stand, grip placement etc. No grab ass, no target practice (some sets had paint ball fights with bright orange pistols/rifles) but you can’t think they were real by any stretch of the imagination… There were ‘rubber guns’ on set too. You fall off a mountain in Santa Fe there’s a good chance that real guns cold be lost, you don’t want Beretta’s and Glocks just waiting for some hiker to find. I don’t make this stuff up. This is decades and decades of knowledge/information Real World Military Experience teamed w/ Hollweird know how on how to keep these ordinary folks who happen to be actors alive. It was fun, interesting, serious, amazing everyday.
But these people knew their s—. Guns Out funs Out they would say. RUST was a joke, Ab’s personal playground. And HE is the last in line for checking for the markings by the way! Producer/Actor, twice negligent! As an actor you check, as a producer you check…AB Failed miserably.

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This was done without prejudice-shorter, the charges can be refiled-There are new prosecutors on the case and they had to start from scratch. Alec’s moron lawyers are taking victory laps for nothing, other than to attempt to sway public opinion and poison a future jury…won’t work.
The charges will be refiled. Now, don’t count on him doing any time-he’s a celebutard, so he’s immune-but he will be charged, and will be convicted in the near future.

Hypothetical, or maybe not;

What if a group pf people gathered, were not making a movie, but were in a large room, where one person pointed a handgun at someone, the firearm goes off, one person dies, another struck, but survives. The person who held the gun, claimed was an accident.

It’s determined about four people handled that gun within minutes, hours, and a couple days up until the moment of the incident. It was determined there was no premeditated plan to injure or kill someone.

Dependent upon the which U.S. state it happened in, what kind of prison time or fines would they each face? Would each person be issued a felony?

Sadly, I imagine such negligence or accidents happen. Preventable?

It is abundantly obvious that Alec Baldwin is a threat/danger to others; someone put a “red flag law” document on this person. He should NEVER be allowed to touch another firearm-EVER! Not even in one of his shows.

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This is New Mexico Brother,

The ‘Hand shake’ and greased palms already made it a done deal. Every one of these scum-bags got their (30) pieces of silver. Ms. Hutchins was just the latest sacrificial lamb. Ab will go on his merry way and put this all in the rear view. He will just ask for more ‘dinero’ on his next project. ‘IF’ pressure was brought to bear on the SFDA’s office, ‘IF’ it wasn’t a hollyweird-celebutard (good description by the way) maybe there would be a refiling. If it was you or me the possibility would be greatly hirer. Dem’s don’t like it when they lose, but they can take it better when their wallet/purses are FAT! then it’s acceptable and they could live w/ their slimy selves. You have to understand Santa Fe Sir. They so much want to be Smarmy gavin Nuicesance’s little LA. People up there in the Roundhouse (SF’s reptilian gathering spot). If you compiled a list of Californication/ S0cialist State of Nuervo Meh-e-co you would see so much alignment it would be obvious. Guv.Grisham (Lujan really) wants to be dictator for life! It’s a good job. You don’t really HAVE to do anything. 24/7 security, high walls to hide behind , If the peasants cause a stir, get a little rowdy she just has her staff cut a check to all for say $500 (she stated the latest appeasement check was $1500) but somebody must have balked and said too much money might be to good for the ‘lessor’s’. They’ve got this down to a science. That’s why Ab and his ilk fit in so easily up there. New Mexico isn’t alone in this all blu states do it ! But NM wants to be Little Hollyweird East! in the worst way. They offer more film ‘incentives’ than any other state and the labor force is cheaper! If you make an action/military movie you even get the local air base to pitch in. Instant extra’s/Army/Air field/runway’s/chopper’s etc. Why would you film anywhere else? And it’s beautiful out here. Makes for a wonderful back drop for any Southwestern/ sandbox (Saudi Arabia, Iraq etc) film. You don’t even need to get the cast and crew passports! The land of the semi-free and the home of the depraved! Bienvenidos! OH lay!

I’m a filmmaker-and I can tell you NM has fallen out of favor with the development of studios in TX and GA. While NM is a beautiful place, a lot of the local crews have left for greener pastures. .
That said-Baldwin will be recharged-and as I said will not do any real time-but will be recharged.
The fact we have to discuss it is the gross thing. If that were a guy who votes red, who accidentally killed someone on the street in Santa Fe, rest assured-he’d be going away for all day.

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It was bound to happen (NM falling out of favor) “Wokeism” kills everything. What did our President say?
(Its one of my favorite tee shirts “Everything Woke turns to s—!” NM films will either get w/ the new program once regime change is in effect or it will fail like Disney. Georgia is fabulous to work in, I was on the Walking Dead series for years on and off and except for the extreme heat (fry an egg on the sidewalk and all that) I had a great time and the pay was fantastic. Texas, Yes! thumbs up also and great body guarding opportunities also (and they pay well!). If AB is re-charged he’s re-charged I don’t give a s—!. He means nothing to me or the people I stay in touch with anymore. Unfortunately it is gross to talk about all this, but we are in gross times, everything is upside/down. But if you look @ Budweiser, Disney, some banks, etc. It gives me HOPE. Hope that good will prevail, that EVIL in a lot of it’s forms will be vanquished. We are “White Hat’s” after all. I am going to wrap myself in my flag now and take a nap. Good night Brother​:expressionless::expressionless::expressionless::expressionless:

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Okay…I’m about to write something that’s going to bring the roof down on me, But first I need to begin by saying that I dislike Alec Baldwin and everything he stands for, with all my heart.

That said, if stupidity were against the law, then there wouldn’t be anyone left to guard the jails. Picture yourself in the same situation. While anyone with any real knowledge of guns would have checked the piece out as soon as it was handed or them, I can’t imagine that anyone picking up a handgun used as a prop on a movie set would have any expectation of finding live rounds in the cylinder.

Further, there was no criminal intent. He was stupid, ill-informed, and apparently lacked any formal training in the handling of firearms. The charges they were piling on him would not have held up at trial.

Accidents happen. Stupid, foolish and avoidable accidents happen. Tragedy strikes everyday, everywhere. I’d even go so far as to say that anyone who has spent enough time around firearms, has seen, heard, or been near someone who had an accidental discharge.

It’s infuriating. It’s awful. It’s incredibly stupid. It’s avoidable. But, in the end, it’s not against the law.

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Actually I think you’re right. I also dislike ab and anything he stands for. And stupid is as stupid does. My problem is if you’re going to handle a real firearm, learn to handle it safely, and don’t lie about fingering the trigger. And why o why do they need to use a real firearm in a pretend story? They make toy guns look like real firearms . They can certainly make rubber or plastic replicas of any firearm. This dipwad wanted realism, well welcome to reality ab. To bad this lovely lady had to lose her life for ab’s realism. Although I think he should be banned from life in general, that’s because I don’t like him, not in the least. I really don’t think any charges will stick, because it was after all an accident, a neglectful accident, but an accident none the less. And I would pray that if I had an honest accidental shooting that I would be given the benefit of the doubt. And if they insist on real firearms in their make believe story they should have a representative from the NRA or USCCA on the set to instruct on safe usage of said firearm. An armorer doesn’t seem sufficient. Not in this case anyway.

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I’ve made similar arguments, so I’m not going to direct any heat at you.
There were multiple people on that set who were supposed to ensure the safety of the firearm. That was the armorer’s whole job. (You had ONE JOB!) I always questioned whether an actor could be held criminally liable for failures on the part of the crew. And yes, I know, firearm safety rules… but those aren’t laws, and I don’t expect Alec Baldwin to know how to handle firearms any more than I expect Tom Cruise to be able to fly a fighter jet.

That’s why I always thought there was a greater chance that Baldwin would have to pay civil damages, since 1) he’s rich, which can actually be to your detriment in civil trials, and 2) he was also the producer of the film, which means he was responsible for the failures of the crew.

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It’s my understanding that a significant part of the problem is that the production was cutting corners to save money and hired the armorer to do two jobs armorer as well as costumes and other props I think. That pulled the the armorer away from the set while firearms were being handled.

But as you stated AB was one of the producers and also being an actor on the set he can’t claim he didn’t know what was going on including all of the inappropriate actions and near misses that lead up to this event. It should be easy to show that he is civilly liable in this case.

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Yeah, although as glamorous as they try to make the “armorer” job seem, anyone who’s had a supply job in the military could probably pull it off. The armorer on Rust failed at basic control & accountability. She should have had those firearms and ammunition secured when she couldn’t keep an eye on them. She should have demanded inventories when they were returned after use. And if the producer or director demanded less of her, she should have resigned. Now look where she’s gotten to; she’s facing involuntary manslaughter and doesn’t have Baldwin’s money to get the charges dropped.

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Agree. I think that was the other big factor. Sounds like she was young and inexperienced. Along with likely not having the best grasp on how to do the job properly she also likely didn’t feel comfortable pushing back against any unsafe practices the rest of the more experienced crew were up to.

Again big knock against the producers for not hiring someone with enough experience to do the job properly.

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Baldwin got off because money talks. BS walks. If that had been me, I’d be serving time

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And he’s back…not by popular demand.

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“involuntary manslaughter”?
Pointed the gun at the young lady, pulled the hammer back, let it go and THAT’S call involuntary. He may not have meant to shoot her, no malice involved, but certainly there are things HE DID that caused this.

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