Why Hate on PCCs?

I think some of us have answered your question already.

My pistol is a good defensive weapon for the distance that I can accurately hit center mass.

If my pistol and my rifle use the same cartridge, and the rifle has more than enough power to take down the threat at 100 yards, why bother to have to stock more than the one caliber?

It is logistics.

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Because I can’t find 9mm anywhere!
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As I said, splitting hairs, use whatever you’re comfortable with however - food for thought…

If one is in an actual, real, honest to goodness, bug out situation. Couldn’t this potentially be comparably dangerous to a bugout from a military outpost or entrenched position? Wouldn’t you want the more powerful cartridge? Remember, you’re more likely to be alone, or have fewer people at your back in your personal bug out situation.

Or - put another way - can you imagine an army outpost bugging out because of danger, and using a PCC as their main self defense weapon? If the answer is no, why would you bug out from home that way?

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Well I am retired and don’t live on a military post. If you have had to hump a heavy pack you think of ways to save weight. If you are away from home trying to get back the last thing you want is a fight. A PCC is a great way to combine ammo, in my mind in that situation if you are over a hundred yards away why shoot sneak around the obstacle and get home where the heavy stuff is at.

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Funny this came out right after I asked the question.

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I really don’t need to bother repeating myself over and over again. For those of you who demand a 2000 ft lb impact, nothing else matters. So be it. This particular gun with a 6.5" barrel makes little sense to me expect for the improvement in aiming that should be possible. I prefer my extra 10" of barrel and bullet speed. Mine is a take-down as well, so it will be handy if I have to pack up and move. I won’t have to separate ammo either since the pistol and the rifle are on the same diet. I don’t have my carbine for “fun,” though it is amazing how well it works. It has a task to perform, and I know it will do it well.

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The only thing I’ll say is that a PCC is good for home defense as well. Shotguns are powerful but they’re loud as shit and it’s very expensive to practice with these days as ranges near me only allow buckshot or slugs, which at $2.00 / round is out of my price range. I can crack off more accurate shots faster with my PCC than my shotgun which is good in case there are multiple intruders. My wife has some physical issues and she can’t handle a shotgun, at least not without a bunch of training but refer back to my prior comment. However, she can handle the PCC because the recoil is almost non-existent. I do like that I can feed it the same range and defense ammo as my carry pistol too.

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Yes sir, and that is the same situation my wife is in.

She can put down very accurate fire from a stack of 17 round mags out to 50 yards if needed. Light weight, compact, with almost no meaningful recoil or muzzle blast. Load her up with good +P hollow points and she is in the fight to defend each other and our home.

Did I mention it is an absolute blast to shoot. It is super easy to shoot very, very well. I got her a brace and a green dot sight. Too easy! I might get another for me one day. I have three ARs though, so probably not. Bummer.

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PCC’s fill a pretty useful niche IMO.

A PCC is better than a pistol because anything you can shoulder will be more accurate and more controllable (recoil) with up to 4 points of contact (2 hands, shoulder, cheek) compared to just two hands.

A PCC is better than a rifle-caliber when…

  • You want/need a really short barrel. 5-7" is common for a PCC, but useless in a rifle caliber
  • You want really light weight. This kinda goes with the short barrel
  • You want a really small collapsable package, like to put in a backpack or purse(! see Warrior Poet video above)
  • You want less noise/concussion. Indoors, narrow hallways, etc. Not super likely for the us regular civilians, but deploying inside a vehicle you really would rather a PCC.
  • You want less recoil
  • You want to pay less (2020 notwithstanding) for ammo
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Minor quibble on details, if I’m understanding your post right… A true rifle caliber (.308, .30-06, etc) will penetrate the heck out of all your walls. But 5.56/.223 (technically an intermediate caliber, but most folks associate it with a rifle) will penetrate less than a typical handgun caliber.

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I guess hating on PCC is like hating on an MP5 style gun :thinking:, which has its place and purpose.

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MP5 is my if money didn’t matter what would own list.

A PCC absolutely has it’s place as a viable option. I don’t think less of anyone who owns or uses one. It wasn’t a personal priority for me, however as they have evolved and I’ve checked off boxes it is rising on the list.

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My wife used a 9mm carbine for several years until I was able to transition her to the 223/556 that she now shoots. It was good for her and served the purpose. It was great for training her on a carbine and was inexpensive at the time. She still has the 9mm but it sits in the gun safe until needed.

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Do you think the PCC was easier to operate for her? Or was it just price or being intimidated by an AR? Genuinely curious.

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She liked the way it handled and the slight recoil. She was accurate and liked shooting it so I really didn’t push her to switch until she was ready.

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That makes a lot of sense.

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Its like when the GIs were issued the M1 Carbine and complained it didnt have the stopping power of the Garand. Two different rifles for 2 different jobs. The Carbine was designed to replace the 45 for guys who didnt need the Garand. If you buy a Beretta storm in 9mm of course it isnt going to be a blaster like a AR or AK. You are buying a Storm because the mags are interchangable with the 92FS and it makes ammo selection and mags easy.

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Exactly! Different tool for a different job

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A Keltec Sub 2K weighs 4.25 lbs and folds to 16". It fits nicely in a gym bag or a computer bag and nobody pays any attention to it. I can hit a target at 50+ yards with it a lot easier than with a pistol. I can use the mags in my pistol. If I have to be on the road it goes with me. Wife could not handle more than a 22lr until she tried a Freedom FX9 braced pistol. She cant hold an AR15 up long enough but the short barrel and short LOP work for her.

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This is just a guess but a 9mm or higher is easier to fire from a carbine just because it’s shouldered. & yes practice makes perfect. I’m starting to wonder if an sbr isn’t the answer and worth 200 more bucks.