Pistol-caliber carbine- the rabbit hole-

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After thinking about it for about two years, I decided to buy my first PCC. What I got was something old and also had a history of being reliable: “HKsp5, the clone of the MP5.” Yes, I am waiting on the Tax stamp. Shooting the HkSp5 without a brace or stock, using only the sling method, I consistently hit the steel target at 50 yards without a red dot. I was like, sh@#$#$#, why would I use my shotgun for home defense? The HK is more straightforward to shoot; it holds 30 rounds of hollows and has the same capacity as my AR platform. I am now in the rabbit hole -thinking about why PCC is less prevalent in the firearms community. The PCC can be a truck gun or put it in a backpack for hikes. How about in a motorcycle tank bag? The possibilities for SBR PCC are endless, making my EDC pistol almost a secondary weapon. “See the Rabbly hole now.” SHTF tools- PCC>Pistol>Shotgun>AR

I want to hear from the community about your PCC’s experience.

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Cool :sunglasses:
but way outside of my price range, I only have the GSG-16 rimfire.
I’m considering the cheaper Ruger… in .45!

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Have two in the stable right now.

  1. Beretta CX4 in 9mm, an absolute tack driver topped with a Romeo 5. Nice and compact. Only downside to this is it’s a little weighty.
  2. S&W Response topped with a EFLX, still getting comfortable with this one. Big plus is the controls are AR familiar. This platform also lets me use the plethora of M&P magazines I have.
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I have a Chicago Typewriter, the volume of fire is ferocious, and quite amazing to shoot at night. Too bad .45 ammunition isn’t as cheap as it was in the 20’s! :rofl:

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Keltec SUb2000 in 9mm. It folds up nicely in a 5.11 AMP72 backpack (which 5.11 no longer sell - Darn you, 5.11). Takes the same mags as my Beretta, so is a perfect companion weapon. Mag capacities are 17 and 30 and a 50 round drum.

Her name is Eleanor. She is the Unicorn.

Too bad I lost this little jewel in the unfortunate stripper/mud slide incident in Bora-Bora.

If I ever find her again, I will get and updated image of her. Before I lost her, I had the OE sights removed and installed a set of 45 degree flip-up sights on the right side.

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I like this setup

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I have the S&W Response too. I like it very much.

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@Kevin514 Welcome to our community, we are glad to have you with us. :slightly_smiling_face:

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I am a Beretta Fanboy, so I looked hard at the CX4, but I didn’t like it. It felt loose and the strip of plastic running from the stock to the pistol grip is, to me, is…well…weird. Also, the little extendable pic rail in front is sloppy. I know it is intended for a light, but it should be IMO, solid. The overall of 755mm (29.7244 inches) length isn’t bad for what it is. My Sub2K is a little over 30 inches open as I have a compensator on it, and 17.5 folded.

I did like the drivability of the CX4 with its ambidextrous controls, and it is a tack driver. Shoots very nice, except for the little puff of blowback you get out of the off side of the weapon. I may be the only one, but that blowback hit me in the left eye, past my glasses, every time.

With the things I found distasteful of the CX4 being stated, the Sub2K is not without its faults. The most common complaint about the Sub2K is the fact if you are shooting with the OE sights, you have to get down low on the stock to get a good sight picture. Pulling the trigger with that type of cheek weld, you are taking the recoil directly on your cheek bone every time. That chizz hurts after a few rounds.

Second most common complaint on the Sub2K is mounting an optic on the upper rail. In order to fold the weapon, the upper rail must be slick. KelTek fixed that problem on the Gen 3. There are a few flip over or twist over type mounts available, but they are bulky. The true beauty of this weapon is the folded footprint. Hanging an optics mount on one side adds to how wide the weapon is, decreasing the simple storage capability of the weapon.

On mine, I have a red dot on a QD riser mount. While stowed, I have the red dot on the lower rail. When the weapon is deployed, I have the offset sights I can utilize for immediate engagement and when I have adequate cover/concealment, I can deploy the red dot to the top rail and re-engage. Having to move the optic every time does increase the risk of losing your zero, but I have not experienced that. I can take the weapon and ping 6 inch steel at 50 yards, which is the range I would consider optimal for a 9mm in a SHTF/CQB situation. I do not foresee needing to engage targets at 100 yards or more.

I like my little KelTec probably as much as you like your CX4. There is no particular brand, type, caliber weapon EVERYONE must have. Do what feels right and practice.

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Welcome to the family

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Welcome Kevin514. We are glad you found us.

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I have, staunchly defended, my preference for the .45 round my entire life. But some of the new PCC’s and the plethora of 2011 9mm and some, quite frankly, amazing 9mm ammo really has me on the fence. How heretical of me.

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The CX does it flaws as does anything but this things runs everything I’ve put through it and the ability to change magazine inserts to mirror other Beretta pistols is a bonus also.

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Why not choose both!! I think S&W will eventually release both their PCC in 40 and 45 in the future.

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@Kevin514 welcome aboard… I’m still in the dating phase with my response but I do really like it.

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I love the PCCs (and like but may not keep the giant pistols too).

My CX4 may be my absolute favorite. Total tack driver. Accurate. You can’t kill it. And I love that it is one of the only larger firearms I can use my countless Beretta mags with. I take it and a 92 or two when I go to the range.

The CZ Scorpion Evo ridiculous giant pistol is nice too, as is the AK-V I have. I really have no need for either and may sell them after I shoot them one more time.

My real favorite is the Kel-Tec CMR-30 in 22M. I never want to put it away when I’m at the range.

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I was eyeing that but my grandson was born and I thought of a starter rimfire rifle for him so got the GSG16 (too soon?).

I need to look at the Keltec again. I like how it felt in my hands.

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I hope I say this right. I train and go to the range, and use my $ to train me for life’s issues. I’m not wealthy enough to train and absorb the costs of that training and ammo for multiple calibers. To me, not a dig, I don’t shoot for fun anymore. To much physical damage has accrued to my body over the years. So getting out and about to do what I think is enough training is an exercise in pain. I’m a physical wreck. Bith Knees, Both Hips replaced, back is fused from the L1 thru S2, and so many other physical issues. I just can’t afford to pay attention to any extraneous effort. So I stay focused on what I would be using to train and defend my family’s safety.

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It’s NEVER too soon. :laughing:

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Same as the Sub2K. I haven’t found a brand or type of round it will not cycle. Plus, mine is what KelTec called the “multi-mag” so I can change out the magazine latch to fit probably 2 dozen different types of magazines. Mine came with the magazine latch for the 92/96 mags.

My Sub2K also had a problem with a very sloppy trigger when compared to the CX4. Very long trigger pull and trigger reset. I did an internal rework with parts from M*CARBO and took all that slop out. Very snappy now.

With the cost of the weapon, accessories and parts, I think I might have between $800 and $900 in the weapon.

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