I believe in golf that is called a hole-in-one.
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Both topics should have reasonable arguments to support their “opinion”. And, with that reasonable defense one should put pride aside and go with the evidence. Otherwise it is just an unfounded opinion not worth the ink.
I was at a restaurant yesterday and heard a man make he comment "that’s what I was taught and I’m not changing after 55 years. Not worth arguing with… I’ll dialog to try to change a mind, and if I’m proven to be in error, I’ll admit it-- and I have done so on this site and others.
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I agree, and I would have responded with many of the same arguments. But this is not a neutral site, and I do not intend to dogpile @Crockett. This site, at a guess, weighs heavily to Constitutional 2nd Amendment interpretation. I asked him his opinion civilly, and he responded civilly.
Do I agree with him. No I do not. But I don’t think engaging in a point by point discourse to counter his opinion will change his mind. But may serve to alienate him and others of diverging views from here. If this was a different forum, I would have no qualms responding.
Let’s be honest, we need people of every demographic to be responsible gun owners.
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It’s easy to talk 2A when you’re a crochety old man surrounded by other crochety old men. I appreciate the folks here that don’t fit the stereotype. And I’m glad more and more people choose to protect themselves responsibly.
If USCCA and other firearms organizations become closed societies that alienate newcomers, then we’ll go the way of the dodo bird.
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Exactly, I liase between different Pro 2A groups. My states pro 2A group has grown pretty well. But there isn’t a whole lot of diversity. We do have pro 2nd A members from a wide variety of demographics. But the overwhelming majority of our membership are, veterans, aged 40+.
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Last night at the gym I was talking to a Japanese gentleman. Younger than me, probably early 30’s (Japanese Kenpo black belt). He had gone to purchase a firearm for CC. He ran into a problem, not access, no law stopped him, his problem was “The one I liked costs $800.00”. What I’m seeing around here is a younger more diverse group joining the responsibly armed CC community. But then again, here in Utah, at the moment, there are few CC laws or regulation to stop us.
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Since the gun control side wants everyone to have such training what better place than the schools? 
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I remember taking the NRA Marksmanship training at the school gym with pellet guns, that would have been in the late 1960s. It helped to fuel a life long love of firearms and hunting. 
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I still have my NRA “Marksman” medal from 1971, but it was at a range, using a bolt action .22
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My state’s pro-RKBA group has grown exponentially in the last few years, and has become far more diverse than just a bunch of old white men. Far more minorities and women are members now - due to the fact that we do not compromise on our rights. If you believe in our inalienable rights, there is no such thing as “compromise” as that means you are abbrogating your inalienable rights protected by our Constitution.
In fact, one of the first comments I typically hear from minorities about our RKBA is that they had been denied their rights under Jim Crow and they are now fighting to keep their rights.
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What have you got against blatant liars? 
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LOL not much, as trying to get something to stick to an oily weasel is difficult… Unfortunately I have met at least my fair share and not in the wild… 
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I can’t answer why I vote Democrat because I haven’t since Bill. But I now vote Republican because they seem to be the lesser or two evils. The separation is slight and I figure incompetence slows down a government more than outright intentional stupidity, like passing laws to mandate all cars be EV but then ignoring the infrastructure and energy generation that would be needed to support such moronic wishful thinking.
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Congratulations, on your groups diversity. We are largest here but we have groups of different ethnicities that cater to their membership. We are all on good terms, so we do well. I would rather we were all one group so we would have more clout.
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This leaves a distinct impression, notably as to who you do not care to hear from. May I ask, - do you feel I should leave this forum because I fit that profile, or is it that I should just no longer have an opinion, or perhaps just not voice it? Should we just leave things to those who can’t fit the stereotype?
I honestly am curious what you think. should we the “presumed stereotypical old men” just exclude ourselves?
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My state is probably the least restrictive, we actually have the highest percentage of CC in the nation. To pass any anti 2A law, it has to undergo strict judicial scrutiny.
Which in my eyes, has made some of our population complacent.
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Good afternoon sir, I have a thought on the foresight of the founding fathers… First, please look up the Puckle gun. I feel like we can all agree that the founding fathers were relatively smart men. Men of strategy, with a comprehensive knowledge of the firearms of the era, and advancements to that point. To say that they are so narrow minded to think that 246 years later, we would still be using flintlocks is absurd. That technology would cease to advance in their newly claimed country. The point of the second amendment is to keep the citizens armed with comparable technology to the governments. If we didn’t have that right, what would keep the government from loading us all into train cars and sending us to extended stay camp, to tax us unreasonably, or enslave us? I guess we can vote on it, but what if the government just said f all y’all? What then? Bows and arrows didn’t work out so well for our nations indians. Having their guns taken didn’t help the Jews in Germany. What would keep our government in some kind of check?
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You have well described the spirit, intent, and purpose of the 2A, it is basically as simple as that. It was never about hunting squirrels, deer, or keeping your neighbor on his own side of the fence, though those things were in no need of being mentioned at the time as it was a natural fact of everyday life.
I will say it again: The constitution was not written to address a particular place or time as those things constantly change, it was written to address human nature, and human nature in possession of power, and human nature has not changed.
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Power can be a nasty thing. I think our founding fathers recognized the outcome for a people that can’t defend themselves. Back in that time hunting was a part of life. Why would the founding fathers go through the trouble for the second amendment for a normal everyday activity? “Hey George, I think we should put something in the declaration to make sure the government lets us eat!” “John, while we’re at it let’s make sure we can poop legally in 246 years, too!” “Gee willakers, George, I think you’re on to something!”
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My bad I was halfway through typing when you said this. Didn’t mean to repeat you 
Good point lol
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