Where do you draw the line at Freedom?

I’m 49 and that line is closer.
I am a fairly agreeable person and I just want to be able to live my life freely. The more they encroach on that, the tougher it is.

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Kent was a tragic accident and an outlier. Having recently retired from the Army and Guard, I can assure you that our fine young Soldiers are way smarter and more capable than some of you might think. They very much know the differences between a legal/moral order and the opposite. Please dont think that such things are likely to be the case. Our brave Warriors deserve better. They are smart, educated, battle-hardened and are the best of us.

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Freedom comes with great responsability. That notion, followed properly, is what should seperate us from mindless, self-centered rabble. We shall, as the crisis passes, watch for new abuses of freedom that may outlive the emergency.
But sometimes, people need to do the right thing, harden up, calm down, and gain some perspective. To me, the calm down part is the critical one. Get a grip and calm down.
As bad as this might get, it is nothing compared to 1941-1945. We need to harden up and tamp down our worst instincts.

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“Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.” -Thomas Paine

Having lost 2 parents to lung cancer, my friends are amazed that I am against smoking bans. Or that I refused government student loans for my kids. But Sneezy, you and I are a dying breed. We see the great harm in incremental reductions of freedom, and live accordingly. Our challenge is to share our message every single day with those inside our sphere of influence, and lead by example.

You and I are willing to push back, but is society? Are we like Sisyphus, eternally rolling that boulder up a hill?

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@Scott52

My cousin use to work for one of the students who was shot in the leg during that incident. If you caught him in just the right mood (usually after a long day and a couple of cold ones) he would talk about it sometimes.

Federal Emergency Management Agency’s real power is? FEMA allows the White House to suspend constitutional government upon declaration of a national emergency. Think about that! What is an agency with such broad-sweeping power doing managing a small viral outbreak in suburban Texas? Can you guess the movie?
The correlation of all the post apocalyptic movies is uncanny.

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That was an extremely terrible time for us in our history, the next few months will be extremely terrible for us. I was a kid back then and was appalled at those actions. I hope there are no songs to write about this catastrophe. We are getting too close to martial law.
Anyone know where I ca acquire a tank buster rocket, I know for a fact they don’t hold more than 10 rounds, and they don’t look as scary as an AR-15.

I have lived a fairly long time and have served a career in the military. My views stem largely from those years where I subjugated many rights that civilians had in order to serve in the military. However, the days of giving up those rights voluntarily are over.

As I look around now, I see things that remind me of science-fiction movies. We have martial law being implemented without declaring martial law. We have, in some places, drones monitoring neighborhoods to catch people leaving their homes, national guard enforcing stay-at-home orders, and even a cell-phone app that makes it easy for people to tattle on their neighbors.

I don’t have a wild enough imagination to assume the normalcy we had three months ago will return fully. Once a political body has a power, releasing it doesn’t come easy. It is like welfare - once implemented, it is difficult to stop.

The actions of socialist politicians have presented themselves as a new governmental virus. But this one will be acceptable because of fear of the biological one.

Right now, where I live, people’s lives are being hampered, and their incomes are being destroyed. There is a new kind of fear arising that may be worse than Covid-19.

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When an act injurious to freedom has once been done and the people bear it, the repetition of it is more likely to meet with submission - Samuel Adams.

We allow liberty, freedom, and our rights to be trampled, and the government, including the Judicial Branch… use that to trample on more, and know the people submit, comply.

The Overton Window… as it moves left, the people complain, then become accustomed to, and then accept the infringements… and the window is then moved a little further left.

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program - Milton Friedman

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction, and it is not passed in the blood, we must fight for it, and pass it on to our children with the hard won lessons on how to keep it… or we will one day, in our sunset years find ourselves telling our children and our children’s children about America when there was once freedom.

The question is, where do you draw the line… and what do you do about it when that line is reached?

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I grew up in NYC and remember before Ted Kennedy stopped European immigration to allow third worlders to come in, how beautiful it was. Now we see the result of his decision, mid 60’s, where every major city has gone down further and further. I’m living just south of Raleigh, NC, but I wince whenever I see a NY of NJ license plate. In this area is a neighborhood online group which seem more weepy about their pooches reacting to target practice than the freedom that very thing represents. When I commented with Jefferson’s saying, “I prefer dangerous freedom over slavery of peace and safety…”, the responses were frightening, to me at least. After having seen the straight jacketing of gun rights and others in NYC and local politics here slowly changing toward the left, I think it’s happening with their tender, sensitive weeniness regarding the expression of liberty. It’s part of worshiping the creature over the Creator…this is a spiritual battle. The chinese wuhan virus is being used for purposes of evil. Thank you all for your vigilance…

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