Yeah, that’s, true, to a point, I guess, but…there are on average 6 million car accidents in the US annually vs 0 avg annual uses of a spare mag by a concealed carrier. Just to quantify it a little
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I don’t live in Illinois, but I’m close enough to be stuck with their news media. From what I have seen, does crook county actually have a Republican party? All the candidates as far as I could tell for mayor were all democrats
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I disagree.
The number of uses of force in self defense annually is not 0. Far from it
The chances of being in a self defense incident are far higher than your chances of needing a gun. If you aren’t going to carry membership because you have no chance of defending yourself, you wouldn’t own a gun, you wouldn’t own pepper spray you wouldn’t train self defense, you wouldn’t even use situation awareness.
Just sayin’, car accidents are literally 6 million a year and as far as we know spare mag uses by private carriers are 0, so, the two are really not comparable.
And the number of self defense incidents is significant, especially when compared to ~0. Defensive gun use alone is what thousands/tens of thousands/more?
I know, I know, you can’t put a number on or quantify feelings and people feel safer with the spare mag nothing wrong with it. It’s, just not objectively comparable to 6 million car accidents a year
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Absolutely, stick to what feels right to you.
Buuuut, to beat the dead horse :), I do believe that numbers and facts and quantifying as much as possible is a good thing. For example, some people’s feelings are that there is a mass school shooting every day in America. Some people feel their kids are more likely to be shot and killed at school than to be injured in a car accident, for example. They can feel that way all they want, but it’s not true.
Similarly, the odds of having your vehicle damaged in a collision are significantly (and then some) greater than the odds of needing a firearm which is itself significantly (and then some) greater than the odds of needing a spare magazine.
I’m kind of big on as many facts and as much objective information as possible on all things gun and self defense.
Which does NOT discount people making decisions based on feelings and personal preference. If someone wants to carry a gun and a spare mag but not wear a seat belt for example, that is their choice. There are people who make that choice and objectively I don’t think it makes sense, the odds and the stakes don’t support it, but…we all get to decide these things for ourselves in the end. Personal decisions don’t have to be logical or based on numbers or even be discussed with or justified to other people because it is just that a personal decision
Buuut if that decision is going to be discussed openly and voluntarily in public, I also think it’s fair to evaluate it objectively and openly
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Took it down, I couldn’t confirm it either. Thanks. Just got home or I would have caught it sooner.
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I think the video was real. Just likely from 2020. Which would actually still make it valid to this discussion as the 2020 “mostly peaceful protests” and looting likely contributed significantly to the millions in loses the Chicago Walmart stores suffered over the past decade.
It just didn’t happen this week as some unscrupulous “reporters” are trying to make us believe. The only reason I caught it was because I wanted to find some more details on the incident.
Think it was good this came up. Helps keep us on our toes:)
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I like old man Mayer Daley’s solution to this, you loot we shoot!
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It’s ironic that major cities are now unsustainable, as Agenda 21 and Agenda 30 are plans to get everyone to live in cities. After what we’ve seen over the last three years, and now every weekend, how or why would anyone make the decision to either move to or remain in one of these cities?
I think the cities will either empty out (of people who no longer wish to be victims) or remain populated only by the criminal element whose only rule is survival of the fittest (or most heavily armed.) We are seeing that police cannot enforce the law, so they ignore it, or arrive too late to really accomplish anything. Continuing along this trend leads to only one place, and that is anarchy.
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Around here it’s driven by the politicians or so law enforcement says. I ask a group of 5 cops why they don’t push out the 20 homeless camped in front of our condo, they said “ask the mayor.”.
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Exactly. Humans with an agenda don’t seem to learn from history that events can “get away from” you quicksmart and in a hurry. Then it doesn’t matter much what you think or do, the event is upon you. California cities like San Francisco and LA are essentially failed cities, it’s just that no one has acknowledged it. Chicago, same thing. Trump offered the National Guard to come in and reinforce the CPD in cleaning up the city. LIghtfoot refused. Thus another example of refusing to either realize or act upon the problem(s). So as a result, dozens of Chicago residents are either killed or wounded EVERY WEEKEND. The LameStream Newsmedia does not report on these dozens wounded or killed, so to almost all of America, it didn’t happen, and/or no one cares. The police are ordered NOT to do their jobs, or not to do it effectively. The only reason there is still a government is because they have police protection. Failed city.
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The truth. Yes. Voluntarily being the key word here. If you are going to post about semantics because you have a set opinion of a specific term then be prepared to have a discussion on why semantics sucks when it comes to objectivity and ethics.
Thanks for the post.
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Failed cities? Far from it. Johannesburg was a failed city, but - armed private security contractors did an effective job reclaiming some of the skyscrapers, and sending squatters elsewhere.
I hope it wont come to that level of violence in Chicago, SF, etc. but they need to do unpopular things for sure.
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I may not be remembering what all went on in this thread, but, what was the semantics discussion?
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OK what would you call a city where law enforcement is hobbled, and/or the DA frees career criminals without bail; major retailers leave because of looting and danger to their employees; riots and looting spontaneously happen fairly often; there are droves of homeless living in public spaces; feces and used drug paraphenelia litter the streets; and decent people are leaving because of all of the above?
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I am probably from the last generation that would have rather been locked in a cell than be brought home to my parents for doing something wrong. Every day we hear reports of some terrible event or some unruly gathering taking place and then hear a follow-up about “this is what we’re going to do to combat this.” Or “we’re going to get to the root of the problem.” Not direct quotes, but you get my point. Here’s the root of the problem and the issue which needs to be addressed. IT ALL STARTS IN THE HOME. And there you have it. And these kids that ran through the streets of Chicago, causing havoc?? IT ALL STARTS IN THE HOME. Period
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There were a few comments from the same persons about the use of the word community, specifically black community and such communities thereof. Apparently this word is somehow racist - that is, against the norm of reason.
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Being held accountable for one’s actions might be a good start. I’m afraid that it’s not going to be long before these knotheads start beating the wrong person, jumping on the wrong car, trying to rob the wrong person(s), and then it’s gonna ass kicking time. I hope it doesn’t happen, but people can only take so much, and get bent the wrong way one to many times.
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Well, hold on. The person who doesn’t like the word “community” is me. I never said it was racist. What I have said many times is that it’s overused and oft abused, and that things like “the black community” or “the gay community” don’t exist.
Literally, a community is a group of people who “live in common.” In modern English, it refers to people who live in a local area, probably sharing a local government like an HOA or a town board. Maybe a township, but that’s stretching it. In really modern use, it might apply to a group of people who use a small space on the internet, like this one.
It’s an abuse of the language to apply it to a widely distributed group of people who only have one thing in common, like a skin color, a sexual preference, or a religion. People do it all the time, though, and it’s purely for political reasons. If I can get the news to say that the entire “Hispanic community” is against something, then I’m claiming a bloc of power for my position that doesn’t really exist.
That’s all I’m saying. These silly political communities aren’t real.
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NYC, LA, SF, Chiraq!
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I’m afraid it will be a long time!
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