Well we have the outcome finally

(I LIKE THAT Comment! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:)
if they fire on YOU all bets for them being on the sunny side of the grass tomorrow are off! I agree.
But then you have a bullet hole in a wall somewhere,(hopefully not in an INNOCENT!) a fired Gun, PROOF, indisputable proof you DEFENDED Yourself. Returned fire when fired upon.
These days we have to be smarter, sharper and safer than the Crims. We have to PROVE we acted in self defense. The Crims can have a rap sheet longer than their arms, yet Family and Progressive DAs/Courts can listen to theCrims family saying He was turning their life around尖eah sure by terrorizing a Fast food place and robbing them threatening to kill them? Yeah, they are turning their life around right after this last Armed Robbery, kidnapping, RAPE! Hey maybe rehab! and now we have HOW MANY ILLEGALS INVADING THIS COUNTRY??? How MANY MILLIONS!
But Don, they are just escaping persecution! Looking for a better life! Proving by their first act entering this country ILLEGALLY? I think that argument is dead in the water before it starts
WE are All Children of Immigrants, came to this country for a better life, Our Great Grand parents did it Right, We followed the Laws right from the get!
These people are TRAFFICKERS! of Children, MULES (Fentanyl, Crack, Heroin) They are Gangstas, MS13 KILLERS, SOLDIERS!, and TERRORISTS!
No matter what the Good Guys/White Hats (If you believe they existI do by the way)
There is going to be a FIGHT, we are going to have to root this infectious disease out and exterminate them. TOO HARSH? We waited too long.

Close the Border TIGHT
Carpet bomb the south side of the fence
Send a MESSAGE plain and Clear: THE BORDER is closed! PERIOD.
Destroy the Cartels, ALL OF THEM. their money cannot buy safety anymore

We defeated the British, We can do this again. But we have to find our BALLS!

They will stop coming when they understand we arent Phuckin around anymore.

Boop. another Watch List! whoopsie!

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Read it and weep Lib-tards! From the recently released Epstein files TODAY!
The TRUTH is out there. Who IS on the Lists and in those documents?
You prolly wont be surprised!

Is Trump exonerated from any involvement in Jeffrey Epsteins sex schemes?

97% (88 Votes)

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Jus Mi Dos Pesos!

adonde nosotros vamos uno nosotros ir todo!!!
Nessun passo sul serpente

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Always impressed that the people here keep up with what is relevant to this community and especially to the times we live in. Im sure CNN would be impressed. Oh wait. They dont cover this stuff bwahahahahahaha :laughing:

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I guess the other option is to roll over and watch the decay & collapse of our society, grand scale theft, arson and mobs in our cities and lay on our trembling about the possibility of being incarcerated for standing against evil. Or just pull out our cell phone and video the crimes. Whats that saying about Good Men Doing nothing?

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WHAT?

How the hell did you get Any of that from what I wrote?
Did you take an Evelyn Wood Speed reading course and read
every other line?

I SAID: BE SMART! DEFEND yourself and others. When the threat is down, BACK OFF! BACK OFF!
Not run away w/ a load in your pants, Not cower in a corner waiting for the final muzzle blast.
Holster your weapon, Call the man, Call your USCCA REP/Lawyer. Anything else you gleaned from that
is Horse Sh**.
Did you EVER see me write be a Pooooooooooosie?, a Sheeple?
I am a damn good Warrior, Proven track record for sticking up for the INNOCENT
and Protecting Myself and My Family, A SHEEPDOG, Not a Sheep.

But SIR, I will tell you this straight
I AM NOT GOING TO JAIL because I couldnt control my Trigger Finger and my emotions
My Family (ever dwindling), My LIFE, MY FREEDOM is to damn important to be locked up
and the key thrown away because I continued to shoot a piece of dead meat laying on the ground

STOP the THREAT! YES! Then BACK OFF! Do the right thing! DONT WASTE AMMO! Clear enough now?
adonde nosotros vamos uno nosotros ir todo!!!
Nessun passo sul serpente

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Tom Grieve posted his analysis. Pretty close to my thoughts, but told in better way.
Moral and written laws can differ, but both should be applied everyday.

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I agree with you. I saw the video when it first happened and think he was mostly good until the robber dropped. After that he walked over and I believe he shot him two more times. I thought he would get at least manslaughter for that.

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Hello and welcome @Doug101

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Welcome to the community @Doug101

I feel the shooter definitely opened himself up to the possibility of significant charges as well as a civil suit with those last couple of shots.

Sometimes criminals get shot in the back because the defender has not had time to recognize the threat has turned, isnt sure the threat is over just because they turned and/or hasnt had time to send the signal to their finger to stop pulling the trigger once they figure out the threat has ended. The argument seems a little on the weak side that any of those reasons were at play for the final shot here.

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Opportunity knocked Brother Sham and that window opened and he took it.
The THREAT was clearly not over (Shooting in the back in this instance) was seizing the day!
Menace-boy was still on that power-trip of making these people feel helpless, scared and weak.
(they get off on this sh**!It isnt just about money to these Crims. (MOO!my opinion only)
They get a hit like a rock of crack scaring people. It gives them the Juice
as Tom Sizemore (actor) said in HEAT. It aint all 'bout da money, For me its that Juice
Till you take too many chances and get shot in the Head right Tom? (his character got Domed)
Jerzees: THAT was an exceptional post/Vid, Thank you. Tom Grieve Nailed it!
1-4 flat out legal cool
5-8 Cringy (his words not mine)dikhead was down, gun out of his hands.
9- Buzzer soundsssssssssssss errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
But this diner got lucky it was in Texas (MOO!)
He got lucky it wasnt in a Socialist Blu melt down state
That Coup de Grace was way beyond the boundaries of what ANY of us should do
STOP the THREAT Yes, Judge, Jury and Execute? (Nyet!)
If he did that in New York hed be sharing a cell w/ the J6ers.
Thrown in the hole and the Hole thrown away Buh Bye.

We Gunners HAVE to be sharper with our decision making
We have to be aware its not just the defending/Shoot
The backlash from Blu DAs/Prosecutors could wipe us out
Lawsuits from grieving families the loss of revenue this POS
could have made for them (robbing, Raping and Killing Innocents is lost)
Look at that Pillar of Society and Virtue Saint George :fu:lloyd
They NAMED A PLAZA in Decrepit Central after him!
The world is upside down and Sinners can become Saints
and Saints can be erased.
I dont ever want to be erased. Do any of you?

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Not as long as there is a glimmer of hope.

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Amen Brother, Amen.

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Agree. When the threat is imminent to yourself or others it doesnt matter which way the threat is facing. I also dont believe a person reacting to an attack should be held responsible for firing some rounds after the threat ceases but before they could observe, process, confirm and react to the threat ending.

Unfortunately many anti self defense people and even more than a few pro self defense people view any shots in the back as unacceptable. But the threat of ignorant people punishing me for a justifiable act of defending myself or others wouldnt cause me to put myself at incredibly more risk by waiting for an attacker to turn and point their gun at me before I took a shot. That would just be stupid.

In this case the shooter had good reason to believe there was an imminent threat and the best and safest way to handle the threat was when the threats back was to him. But things become questionable after those first shots and the last one makes no sense to me at all. It would have made sense to potentially jump up and shoot the thief in the back of the head with the first shot to make sure the threat was stopped ASAP. But with the threat on the ground, not moving and the gun out of his hand why move in close where the thief could reach you to take that final shot if you believed they were still a threat? That was a tactically and legally questionable move.

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Because Brother, Its HARD to turn off that switch Damn hard! Adrenaline is PUMPING Furiously!
Some Gunners may not admit it but there is a CHARGE that goes through you after a successful
fight and that you are still alive! I dont mind admitting that. YOU ARE ALIVE! EVIL DIDNT PREVAIL but you have to click that switch OFF! As soon as possible. You WON, back off, Remove the threats weapon(s) make sure they are down. then yadda, yadda Call in the Cleaner crew. Lawyers (reinforcements)
This guy (Texas) regrouped and even returned the Wallets and money but when he 'Was in it!"
He was wired higher than any drug. Combat Warriors call it SURVIVAL, Arm Chair Progressives call it an
Atrocity.
I dont want to keep harping the TRAINING, TRAINING,TRAINING, muscle Memory going (although I just did :crazy_face:) But Just for me the standard disclaimer applys that Training will talk you down faster. BOOP! that finger comes off the trigger, BOOP! You back off! etc.
Now, Im ready for the possible Flaming :rofl:

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That is a concern for me. I havent been able to come up with good ways to train my mind and muscles to recognize and respond to the threat has stopped signals in a realistic way.

I sometimes use beeps or color flashes from my timer or phone to signal its time to go or stop but its not the same as visually seeing your target turn and run or go down while your adrenaline is pumping. This is where a realistic shoot dont shoot would come in handy if there are also scenarios where you need to stop shooting.

Ive been doing some of the shoot dont shoot with my martial arts coach and it has helped speed up my recognition and decision making process while under stress. Need to have him start throwing in scenarios where I need to draw but then he gives up before or shortly after I start pulling the trigger.

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Im no expert Brother, Maybe ask Larry (THE Marine) or some of the others
what the best course is to take/Train. The Dos Jakes, others can chime in
(I hope they do). You are very smart, youre training up MOO! is youd do fine.
Lots of people here are super smart, that switch WILL Click off after.
Its getting it to Click ON! that may be a 'Question for some.
And thats why Training is stressed so much.
Your Martial Arts deal is (timers, color flashes Its all good!) perfect for this, It adds another layer
What Ive been taught by Thunder Ranch and life is you can be taught all sorts
of sh**, You can be a Tacti-cool Warrior, a Motard but when that first shot
goes whizzing past your head (hopefully) :laughing: Then it all kicks in!
All sorts of tips, lessons, training, life experience all gels and you will get it done.
The thing for me is that Situational Awareness for ME THAT is the key
You see sh** BEFORE it happens you can set-up, get your mind right then it all
starts clicking. You saw it with this Cop last year, Mall Shooting Outside TX again?)
Some MOPE starts unloading on the shoppers, he was in the Lot doing some other Cop stuff.
He got his AR out of the trunk, and instead of driving over he RAN! he RAN! It was impressive
to see a White guy run so steady, measured breaths, got to the scene and dropped the MFer!
BANG BANG!, Game over Thanks for playin and Buh Bye!
Id be doubled over, panting my ass off, sweating like a Sueee-eeeeeeeeeee!
His shots DIDNT go all over the place, he didnt Mag-dump. He got it done
You get right, figure it out as it happens and you will too.
Its the person on the damn phone, driving around La la la la and bam he/she gets jumped
That is an Oh Sh** moment (talk about dumping :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Not the one you hope for Pee-You!)

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I dont think we can consciously train our minds to train our bodies. Our subconscious or unconscious mind has to train our conscious mind. We do have faith based training and the power of positive thinking.

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I think it can work both ways. But if you dont feed your subconscious mind enough useful data it is going to have a hard time taking the actions you want and need it to when your conscious mind doesnt have time to think about how best to proceed.

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I think we went full circle and are back at how we can consciously feed our subconscious if we dont know how to do that. Training training training.

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Yup. The question being, given limited time and money what are the most effective types of training available to me that I should be focusing on?

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