Uscca for you

Welcome to the family brother and god bless you.

Don’t stop there-
Fox News
All TV shows, movies,Netflix,Hulu-etcetera–

Hit all of these pricks where it hurts-their wallets.

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Thank you!!

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Same here and I must say, I am about to leave and cancel my subscription altogether because of the usual political ignorance that permeates social media these days.
maybe my local gun range is all I really need.

@Shepherd Of course, you are completely correct. I’ve allowed myself this pity party which blinds me from everything else. Thank you for the reminders sir.

@Wolftep and @Adrian13, please be sure to check out the numerous categories that are focused on training including:

There are literally 1000’s of topics in the Community about a huge variety of self-defense and protection topics. If you’re looking for a specific topic (training drill, firearm review, etc.) please be sure to search the Community (magnifying glass in the upper right hand corner) to see if the topic has been started already :slight_smile:

Glad to have you here!

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I took a very long break for a while because a few people on here got very nasty when others posted views that didn’t fall in line with their political views. I think it was corrected by Dawn, other administrators and the general populace here in the time I was gone to a point now where most discourse has become less heated.

When I came back, I stayed in those areas that focused on training that the Mod just pointed you to. Still, there are a lot of comments in those areas that address political topics. Just scroll on by those and reap the benefit of the training. If you find something really offensive and can’t look past it you can always flag things and the mods will consider the statements value within the training topic. Basically, give it a chance, it would be sad for anyone to leave, no matter their political affiliation.

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I appreciate that and I also appreciate your response to the OP. I will certainly stick more to the forums that are less political and more about being a gunowner and less about what party anyone belongs to.

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The left is responsible. Antifa is the left. Black Lives Matter is the left (regardless of some individuals that think it only means black lives matter, when in fact all lives should matter and the organization is a Marxist totalitarian organization. As far as ‘Boogaloo Bois’? To me, they are and have been identified as ‘anti-government’

Now, considering I view the political spectrum as far left is Marxist, Communist, Fascist, Socialist, Monarchy, Tyranny and Totalitarianism and Authoritarianism 
 and the far right is Anarchist and Chaos
 with our Republic right of center with limited government and rule of law
, those Boogaloo are not anything remotely Conservative or Republican
 and would align with the far left in their desire to collapse the system.

Have not heard or seen that.

I repeat, the left, who has been violent for the past 4 years at least, and feel they can be violent against Trump supporters, supporters of the Constitution, those who display the American Flag, and feel they are justified, will continue to be violent, and feel it is retribution for supporting what they hate
 and if they lose in court, they will continue their violence.

Yes, and I never claimed any of those things were part of our right.

Yes, because it is where the rights of one end and another begins.

Never said I accepted it. I find the 1934 NFA to be totally unconstitutional. There is nothing in the Constitution that grants the power to restrict arms. When our nation was founded, private individuals had arms, and some were superior to what the government forces had, superior to what the ‘Army’ had. I would think most people do not advocate for the repeal of the 1934 NFA in part, they do not know or understand, and in part, it was so long ago, it is to many considered a done deal and we can not go back to fix it, but we should refuse to allow more intrusions and infringements on our rights. You would need to ask all others why, I can only provide a guess, but I do say it is unconstitutional.
And remember, having an automatic firearm does no harm to anyone, it is if and when it is put to use by someone with evil intent, and those with evil intent can obtain automatic firearms.

Nope. Never suggested it. You, is used as ‘OTHER PEOPLE’ in the context of the comment made. YOU
 as in YOU the individual, asked about human sacrifice, and as such I said any religion where you (any generic individual) want to kill someone, it infringes on the right to life


Sorry, to me that is an absurd example. Even if I followed along with it, it does not meet the same criteria.

That is true, however, the example still applies, and actually more so. We have a right to keep and bear arms, but no right to drive a car, yet there seems little effort to complain about 100mph drivers operating their vehicle unsafely, or even a vehicle that is capable of being operated in such an unsafe manner, yet, as your argument points out, there are those who want to dictate that we can not have our right to arms, because just HAVING it somehow endangers them.

Perhaps, and we do need better
 however, who decides what is mental illness. We must be careful. Some states now have ‘Red Flag’ laws that allow someone who is angry with you to make a false report
 or someone decides if you support Trump or Biden you are mentally ill. We must be careful before we allow others to add to the list of mental illness, as they have removed some things that were considered to be mental illness just a few short years ago.

Always good to debate viewpoints.

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@Shepherd and @Wolftep Please use the Flag feature if there is off-topic conversation or thread hijacking and the moderators can address those situations to ensure we keep the Community respectful and on topic.

(And now I’ll stop hijacking this thread :wink: )

There are plenty of threads that deal specifically with training and practice, information on laws. There are others that deal more with the political.

The problem is, even those that deal with training and information may cross over to the political, as self defense and home defense and the carrying of firearms is political, and depending on the issue, simply walking down the street can be used politically.

Do not take it negatively, as there are many other areas of interest and USCCA has training that as a member you can access

Could not have said it better. We as individuals and as organizations better stand NOW or forever be doomed to concede our bill of rights. Someone once said,“if you don’t stand up and tell them what you want, you are doomed to take what they give you!”

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With all due respect, your classification of violence by a group that espouses some of the ideals of the republican party to the left doesn’t make it a leftest group in reality, especially when one can go to their sites where they state their ideals and support the GOP and Trump with donations, rallies, and take violent action based on suggestions from President Trump. Blaming “the left” for them is as ludicrous as someone blaming the right for the actions of the BLM. To use your argument, I only view the conservative members of the Democratic party as Democrats, all others on the left are antigovernment or no government. Since the Republican party values less or small federal government, I classify the lefts in the Democratic party as Republicans.

It meets the same criteria as your car example. You may find it absurd, but those religions still existed at various points in history. Just because it hasn’t existed in the U.S. in the small time the U.S. has been around, doesn’t mean it can’t happen. People on here spout hypotheticals about Biden being taken out with the 25th so Harris can be the president, that the left is going to take out Biden with an AR, blaming it on the right so they can ban all assault rifles, and other hypotheticals, if you can accept those, then you should be able to accept various hypotheticals on religion even if they don’t fit your ideals of U.S. religions now.

I agree with you on the Red Flag laws, they take into effect someone being mentally ill and the probable chance of their hurting themselves or another. Those type of laws use definitions of mental illness already codified. My father’s second wife is mentally ill, even to the point she was institutionalized. I live with the fact that she can call the police and falsely report that I have threatened her (either maliciously or through her mental illness) and I would have my guns taken away from me. On the issue of who assisted with the legal definitions of mental illness, I would say, there is a whole accepted professional field of study that classifies what mental illness is. To say someone is just going to start throwing out criteria that becomes law that doesn’t fit into the accepted professional field of mental health is again, accepting a hypothetical that only reinforces a world view that people on the 2A side believe anti-2A people have.

I do appreciate your willingness to exchange ideas and debate. Thank you for that. I also feel we’ve pulled this thread way off the topic of social sites so we should either continue in messages or conclude with your next response. Thanks again.

Anyone can say anything. White Supremacists have said they supported Trump, and may even say they support some of the same things Republicans may claim to support, but that does not make them Republican. And, I said, the Boogaloo Bois was more in line with Anarchists, as they are ‘anti-government’ and due to their desire to collapse the system (being anti-government to me speaks to anarchy and a collapse of the existing system), aligns with some of the goals of the left.

Have never seen this at all. Seen it reported as such in the media, but have not seen it in reality.

No, it does not. It has existed and in some parts of the world still exists but I am speaking of the United States and the Constitution and our rights, not what may be happening in Bora Bora or some other far flung local.

I do think Pelosi has prepared to move against Biden with the 25th, but as far as any attack by an AR, I do not find those as credible and never said I did.

You forget, those in power can influence others, and it is not always those who are accepted as professionals, as some bureaucrats tend to exercise powers they were never given. It is still an area we should not allow to be modified too easily or readily. Never said it was going to be someone just throwing things out and seeing what sticks on the wall.

Agreed, this has gone beyond the social sites, though that was specifically about how they have treated Trump over the last few years.

Have a great day.

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You too, and again, thank you for your time and insights.

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Hey guys, don’t forget to not hijack the thread
 :wink: Topics evolve over time, be sure to split them off when it’s clear this isn’t the same topic as the original post.

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I trashed FB FOUR MONTHS AGO. Glad everyone is waking up. Welcome to reality, come visit again soon. LIFETIME MEMBER USCCA 2013

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Welcome to the family brother @David562 and you are in the right place at the right time.

@Dr_Olin Welcome to the community, we are glad to have you here. Stay safe, Bruce and Nancy. :+1:

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As for me I don’t have a FB or a Twitter account. My only social media is USCCA and truthfully I enjoy it.

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