Agree the invasion is… well… invasive, but I would also never consider living in a urban area such as Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, New York, LA, etc… I’m so glad I turned down a job in CA…
And yes, I ran the first time she said ‘no.’
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There still might be video out there on the event. IMHO, both sides, the home couple and the crowd did some wrong. Some might have gotten away with wrong doing, especially if unidentified or lack of more evidence.
Not worth the trouble: I hope if ever happens to me, I avoid, stay inside, lock the doors, call 911, then maybe have my firearm in case of a break in.
Showing proof might have been a deciding factor, and like some else wrote, the peer jury and judge from that region.
I learned a little more about how not to handle a firearm by watching them. The way they waved, pointed, was dangerous, risky, and disrespectful of the firearm and of all “owners”.
Goes to show, highest college educated does not mean knowledgable on “handling”. We are all on a learning curve, and must strive to always improve.
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So let’s take this in a different direction. The crowd swarms the house, I’ve taken cover in a safe area of the house, the crowd bursts in. I’ve created the hot gates of Thermopylae, they are funneling in… I start to fire taking out a couple as they approach with hundreds behind them!
When I fire, will the crowd disperse or become more violent? That’s the question!
I don’t have high capacity magazines, I only have standard.
They have Molotov cocktails and surely someone in the crowd has a gun.
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@Scott52 In this scenario the homeowner gunners would be GONERS.
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How many home invasions did the not-so-peaceful protesters commit? I haven’t heard of any. Their MO is
- shine lights into windows
- disturb peace with bullhorns, vandalism
- verbally threaten and provoke innocent bystanders
None of these call for armed response from the homeowner. All of them are designed to get the good people in trouble, as well as demoralize and dehumanize everyone who is not part of the mob.
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Well at least you aren’t forced to use reduced capacity magazines.
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It only takes “one” crazed liberal lunatic coward to light the fuse. Are you a betting man? Had the lunatic not made the 911 call would, Justice Kavanaugh be safe today?
Should we enact a “red flag law” if your going to carry an assault picket sign, these people surely qualify! Ban automatic bull horns! For Gods sakes take away the matches and the lighters with high capacity lighter fluid!
I don’t consider arson a disturbance of the peace! If I’m right arson of an occupied property, whether the coward knew it or not, is punishable by a life sentence! If they had burned down my neighborhood and then broke into mine, I would have taken up arms, and been just as concerned as they were. Did you look at their faces, they never served a day in their life in military service, they never looked death in the eye. That takes special training! I give them a pass!
Secret Service my butt, Uvalde had 30 cops “ON SCENE” waiting for the key! I feel, demoralized, but considerably safer! NOT
As I’ve said before, If I rob the bank and I’m locking the door behind me, then if I have to, I’ll call Gascon to set me free, ( heck, I don’t even have to pay a fee ), ( Gascon hotline 1-800-GET-FREE ) right out the front door. Care to wager whether I get to keep the stolen cash?
Should we learn a few dehumanizing tricks from our counterparts? That couple was scared to death, and that qualifies.
If history serves, these are the very same tactics used by Hitler! Those that forget history, well, you know the thing!
I’ll never make excuses for these lowlifes and I will never give them a pass for how they destroyed America. Like a North Dakota cold that gets into your bones, their actions have seeped into my psyche, I will never forget, nor forgive. They have been disavowed and renounced!
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Source of this information or please. Nobody in this room believes that. These “mobs” peacefully walking through a neighborhood threatening to kill and burn never trespassed? Really? You damn well know they did. I will retract my rant and admit being wrong on this with proof. Make me eat crow. The mob was already in a gated community.
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read this a long time back, like when it happened, and posted “from what I understand”. Don’t care about making you eat crow. You are just as able to research this as I am, so go for it if you really care. I was aware of the broken lock on the gate. Assuming “nobody in this room…”…well, I’m done. Too early for this crap.
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There also may be times where drawing and keeping it in a low ready position would be advisable/advantageous or just putting your hand on your handgun. That would typically not be brandishing (depending on DA’s interpretation of the law), but would indicate to the assailant that you are prepared. It would be at the point where it is an active threat, while giving verbal warnings. trying to de-escalate the situation. It would also greatly reduce the time needed to get the firearm into action, if needed.
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And you would be okay with a mob destroying your property? During the riots in Richmond, VA, and the “peaceful protesting” on Monument Avenue, many homes, businesses, and a Synogog, were vandalized and their property. I spoke with someone last year that lived there. He said he sold his home, but at a very subsstantial loss due to the destruction on what was once a huge draw for tourism. He said that he sat on his front porch with a shotgun next to him every night, stating that none of the rioters stepped foot on his property. In so doing, his property was saved from the vandalism that occurred everywhere else on that street. Show of force is the only deterrent to a mob.
It reminds me a bit of one time on vacation, when I was walking on a sidewalk with a large Bowie knife sheathed on my hip. I had just gotten back from a walk/hike and just went to a store to pick-up a few things. It was twilight and a large group of youths were blocking the sidewalk. Just as I was about to step into the street to go around them, one of them noticed my knife, and pushed everyone out of my way. In no means do I appear threatening, just average size and build.
I never experienced anything like that before, and I travel a lot, so the only thing I can conclude was that it was because I was carrying that knife. Many places I go on vacation, I cannot be armed, I always carry pocket knives (plural), and on hikes/walks, I like to have a large knife which could be more useful than my pocket knives when out in nature.
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Obviously he had seen the movie.
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Yes, a memorable scene. The question, “You call that a knife?”, is still in our lexicon. I have even heard people much younger than that movie use it.
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Would I be Ok with destruction of property? Absolutely not.
Are you Ok going to prison because you defended statue of Columbus? Even make it your own property, say a mob is trampling over your front yard and spray painting your garage door. You want to face off with couple hundred rioters and their ally, local leftist DA?
The story about Bowie knife and a polite group highlights whats different between a group on sidewalk, and a riot. Generally, if you have a visible weapon, like your friend had sitting on his porch, but they call this threat a bluff, it may end badly. Think Rittenhouse. But also think rooftop Koreans, why are they not called front door Koreans.
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Art of war
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Did I state I would? I was not there and I was not defending property. What i said, as you attempt to twist words and meaning of my comment, was that the show of force changed their minds, not brandishing nor actual use there of. Context and comprehension come first in a discussion.
Not a friend, just someone at a gun show.
A polite group? Oh, yes, I have met them everywhere moving out of the way for me (sarcasm). As I stated, that never had happened before, nor since.
If they attacked him, he was armed; that is not a bluff. Keep twisting the stories to suit your beliefs. There is reality and there is what you are trying to contort it into.
So how did they get on the rooftops? Couldn’t the looters have gotten up there the same way and attacked them? They did not because they saw they were armed. Just as the National Guard cleared the streets because they were armed. It did not take many being shot by the National Guard to take back the streets.
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Could one remote pepper spray these animals? 
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That would be assault, but yes, you might be able to do that.
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They are cowards hiding in the security of a crowd, they would trample themselves trying to retreat to the security of the police.
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I think this couples response is text book what not do when an angry mob is marching by your house.
Fortunately I do not live in a city but if I did and saw an angry mob marching down the street the last thing I would do is go out barefoot with my rifle and no spare ammo waiving it at the crowd with the most pathetic imitation of a menacing face I could think of. Not to mention having my wife put herself in danger by doing the same.
Seems like there are countless better options to not make it more likely the crowd stops and focuses all their attention on your house and dozens of better options to protect your family if they decide to anyways.
I’m not excusing the crowds actions. Protesting on public streets is fine if done peacefully. Menacing neighborhoods is not. But if this crowd was really out for blood they would have easily taken these two completely unprepared people down with very little effort.
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