Looks cool. I would much rather have one of those double barrel 12 gauge pistols for home defense. Though even one of those would be far down my list of HD choices as well.
I’d be interested to know how it shoots a .410 slug. Yeah, it shoots a .45 Colt round with a bullet, so what would be the difference between a slug and a bullet?
I hope this information helps brother @Jason74
Looking for the difference between a .410 SLUG and a .45 Colt bullet, specifically out of this gun with the long barrel.
A .45 gives you 1-shot knockdown power - a .410 slug at the same range would give you the same, but lift your target off its feet and dump it, as if it had been hit by a train, with devastating entry and exit wounds.
this firearm can not do either of these calibers justice. get one or the other.
A link to the slug info I was thinking of:
I’m assuming you were being sarcastic with this reply. All .41o gauge gel tests I have seen show effects more similar to a pistol bullet. I doubt even a heavy loaded 12 gauge slug would lift a target off its feet outside of a Hollywood movie.
I wouldn’t bet my life on a .45 pistol bullet or .410 slug stopping a target with one shot unless it hits in exactly the right spot in which case a 9mm or even a .22 would have the same effect.
By the physics principle that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction, if a recipient of such a powerful round would be lifted off its feet, so would the shooter of the powerful round be blown back off his own feet. It’s all pure Hollywood when you see that.
In fact, the stuntmen being blown back by rifle fire are wearing harnesses under their costumes and are being snapped back by a spring loaded tether wire that the camera angle ensures you don’t see.
ehh, not really. It’s still a pistol cartridge. The only way you can rely on a 1 shot stop from a .45 ACP is if it takes out the CNS - turns the lights out - such as with the proverbial (actually, literal) between the eyes (head on) shot aka cranial vault.
There is nothing special about a .45 vs a .40 or a 9mm or a .357 mag or whatever other pistol
Sure there is, Price!
My thinking here is regarding the effects on our bony skeletons - gelation tests are useful guides, but we’re not jellyfish. Tests run on dummies using a combination of gel and plastic to simulate human and animal flesh and bone are more revealing, similar to crash-dummies in auto tests. The bottom line is shot is SHOT - and whoEVER is shot had better find medical help ASAP.
That part I can completely agree on. And also agree that gel tests don’t tell the complete picture. But from the examples I checked out it looks like the .410 gauge slug velocities (especially out of shorter barrels), frontal area, and projectile weights all seem pretty similar to pistol rounds so I wouldn’t expect much of a difference in effect on the target over a pistol round.
Maybe there would be some potential advantage at really close range with a .410 00 or 000 buckshot load since you would be getting multiple wound channels. Though each of those wound channels would be the equivalent of being hit with a small caliber pistol with non expanding bullets.
I personally would much prefer a higher capacity pistol with modern expanding ammo over this curiosity. But it does look kinda cool so I could see it showing up in a movie some day blowing the bad guy off their feet.
ChatGPT says the ballistics between a .410 slug and a .45 LC out of a 13" barrel are significantly different. The slug at 1/4 ounce is about half the weight of a 255 grain .45 LC. The muzzle energy and the velocity is significantly different, with the slug blazing (out of 13" barrel) at 1300 fps and the .45 making 850 fps. ChatGPT says the slug stands a much greater chance of overpenetration in an indoor scenario with short distances and wallboard as factors. It said the slug would be a better choice for range and accuracy out of doors (again out of a 13" barrel) at ranges of 50 - 100 yards. The slug also would generate significantly more recoil than the .45, so it said the .45 would be better indoors for 2nd shot recovery and for accuracy at short range.
The real world confirms that there is nothing special about .45 ACP vs other common/service pistol cartridges.
It’s a pistol caliber (cartridge) and as such, it is weak and ineffective as a general rule (in terms of stopping a violent attacker right now)
If you want the mythical “one shot stopping power”, you need to be in the realm of at least a 12 gauge shotgun with buckshot or slug, and still with proper shot placement. A centerfire rifle with proper shot placement is getting close too. But even then, good shots with shotguns and rifles can fail to one shot stop.
This guy was shot by 14 rounds .45 ACP and 6 of those rounds were fatal. But he kept fighting and needed shot more One shot stop by butt
It didn’t matter what size cartridge this guy used if the bad guy told him to kill him. Agreed, it’s shot placement
It is shot placement.
But even then, for the one shot stop, you pretty much need to incapacitate at the brain stem/the front part of the brain whose name escapes me that turns off everything at the source…more or less.
Hydraulic failure from loss of blood/blood pressure can take time.