Someone pulls a gun in you and you would just stand their?
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I am not the defendant nor the the lawyer. Neither am I stating whether the actions, by either party(ies), leading to the self-defense incident, are legal/illegal. I did not hear any audio in the videos I saw. This video shows the actions, wherein the decedent attacked the man with a shotgun from behind, it also explains some of the legal issues surrounding it. At that point it became self-defense. If you were attacked from behind and faced a retention issue, would you be committing murder if your attacker was killed during your self-defense? If you exclaimed anything derogatory after the fact, would that make you a racist/bigot or the reason you defended your life?
I do know from friends that were in firefights, etc., during their military careers that there is a lot of cursing going on during and after the battle as emotions and adrenaline are raging through you. As the adage states, let the one without sin cast the first stone. You apparently are that unique person?
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Was he saying Zimmerman was not in danger?
There is a bit of truth to this. I believe ultimately Zimmerman’s self-defense was justified. This is 100% Monday Morning Quaterbacking but when the 911 operator would ask “where did he go” perhaps a little more caution or a little less “helpfulness” may have resulted in Martin getting away and commiting a crime later, but would have avoided the lethal confrontation.
That I blame 100% on media and those lawyers using race as a means to get a ton of cash.
Law Of Self Defense (LoSD) hosts this page (below) which is an aggregated list of really good summaries of the evidence on a day-by-day basis of the trial itself. I haven’t been through here in a minute, but most of the stuff put out by the media was made-up and/or edited to make Zimmerman look bad. Unfortunately, like everything else these days, what people hear on the news is what they remember.
https://lawofselfdefense.com/the-zimmerman-files-aggregated-day-by-day-live-coverage-analysis/
LoSD has put several of their really good summaries behind a paywall, which is unfortunate.
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My sympathies for “all” who suffered loss from that day. I’m biased in that I both abhor crime, but I also fear any threats to being able to own and carry a firearm (legally).
My first gut reaction is that the decisions and actions by McMichael threaten my rights to own and carry.
Was McMichael obligated to make a citizen’s arrest of Arbery? What if we all did that? I could lose my own permit, get hurt, and worse. Weighing the benefits Vs. the risks and costs.
Why was McMichael compelled to attempt to make the arrest? Was it because of suspicion of an alleged attempted robbery, or trespassing on “someone else’s property” (of John Doe’s)? Is John Doe going to reimburse me as an arrester for all of my losses?
Was it that much of an emergency, or could one of the three gentlemen have called 911 instead?
Just because something is legal, does not always mean it’s the right thing to do or smart. Now, a life is lost, the survivors involved at the scene are suffering, as are all of their families.
We are hindered and humbled by not knowing all of the facts and truths. My heart goes out to all of them.
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Yes, one of my instructors said Zimmerman was in danger, and highlighted how that particular unique state’s law helped ‘to an extent’ – protect Zimmerman, as opposed to other state’s.
Unfortunately, and I regret, yes “media and certain lawyers use race as a means toward their agenda”. 10 states away, and I felt it personally toward me, after that had occurred. However, despite our efforts to change that for the better, it’s a sad reality of what we live in and face.
Whereas my other instructor emphasized his criticism of Zimmerman’s actual decisions and steps “which led up to” the moment of the incident; I think for the sanctity of responsible gun ownership (not race).
Thanks for the link which has a series of articles on this case. Appreciate your discussion (I learn a lot from this community board). Sad, yet educational case study.
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First rule in self defence is you can not be the aggressor. They chased the man and actually bumped him whith the vehicle.
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Where in your linked account does it state that? I do see where it does state this, “The elder McMichael, who has ties to the police department, told law enforcement on the scene that he saw Arbery running through the neighborhood and thought he resembled a suspect that was responsible for recent break-ins.”
If anything, the decedent was the aggressor when he attacked the man with the shotgun. However, I am not making that claim, either. As the video I linked stated a case of self-defense could possibly be made by both parties. However, one is dead, so he is unable to make that claim, and the video is quite clear that he circled around and attacked the man with the shotgun from behind.
You seem not to dispute the video showing him attacking the man with the shotgun that shows a retention issue that he lost. Neither in that statement is there any reference to race, racism, nor bigotry. What is your point?
It’s worth pointing out that the trial is set for February, so a lot of these details will come out at that point.
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The details are already out, peop P e postong here on a self defence site back the aggressor that murdered a man just because he was black and jogging. Then you want to excuse the racist language an adrenaline rush. You all have spoken and shown you true nature. They attacked an unarmed man and pulled wa weapon, they by law cannot claim self defence.
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@Anthony88 , you are making an irrational blanket judgment on everyone on this site based on what exactly?
Since I am the OP ill give you my analysis based on the most recent info. I still think it was a dumb decision on part of the McMichaels to put themselves in a situation where their lives are upside down and a man is dead. All they had to do was call 911 and take pictures and report.
I live in a place where there are multiple thieves (they don’t live here) are drugs and have stolen multiple things from peoples cars and porches, they sell drugs sometimes close by and guess what? I am not doing any citizens arrest since me losing my freedom is not worth someone elses property or stopping drug deals so I take pics and report to the cops. Citizens arrest while legal for a suspected crime is not the best course of action unless its a life or death situation and you are willing to gamble your freedom. The alleged stealing in that case is not a reason to get into legal trouble at least in my opinion, there are better ways of catching them . I am a big 2A supporter but everyone can make two choices in all situations and you always choose the one that avoids a violent confrontation unless you are in deadly danger.
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Three times you have posted claims without proof. Try for a fourth? If you want a dialog, your lack of proof and claim of racism is proof that you are not seeking a discussion, but trying to taint all of us as racists. The problem with that is there are many of us that are of various races, mixed, and care not in the least what race you or the decedent is.
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I’d like to read that story but BI wants me to turn off my ad blocker so I won’t. Is there anyplace else that has the story?
I read about it on Fox News. Seems like it was a bad shooting and the perps had no reason to shoot the kid.
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Closed mind cannot learn. You have been given facts that you could find with a simple search. You choose to believe a version that makes you comfortable. Ww are done here
Everyone on this thread not the site. Police have no duty to protect, so why send in info when they have stated they will not be going after petty crimes? The facts are easy to find and understand
Sounds like you are calling people on here racist. The article you linked to was dated Jun 2020. There is certainly more information available now than there was then. And there will be more information available during the trial.
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What say you? Racially motivated?
Probably not, your right (oops I meant right as in correct not beliefs). There are people who want to use race to justify bad actions. It’s not about color, it’s about moral compasses being completely f@c&#d. North is north no matter how hard you shake it or what it lands on.
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You need to take your own advice. As I understand, the trial hasn’t even started, so there has been no murder. Was there a homicide? Yes. Was it murder? We don’t know, the case has not been decided. You seem not to want to address the video showing him assaulting the man and trying to wrest the firearm from him. Quite clearly a case of self-defense. Open your mind, watch the video and learn.
You should seek the advice of legal council. They attacked him first, therefore self defense is off the table. You speak to the tail end of the video, but not the beginning and the racial slur used after they killed him reinforces what I.have said.
This is off topic to the case but you are correct in that Police have no constitutional duty to protect the life of people not in their custody that is one of the reasons why the 2nd amendment is important. How the police handles reports totally depends on who is in charge of police and the political administration over it, what area and state you live in.
I’m in AZ and in my community the police here cares but they are busy so ask us to gather enough evidence for them to get involved when things that are non-emergency happen.
Places like California maybe a lost cause since you are right they don’t go after petty crimes in certain cities there.
Police, if not doing their jobs can be made to care by the people putting pressure on politicians. The politicians hate anything that will keep them from being re-elected or tarnish their record especially with raw data like police reports with crappy outcomes but it takes people caring enough to report and use that data to do something to change the politician themselves or their minds. At the end of the day the politicians and police are our servants and they tend to forget that and sometimes act like royalty.
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