And to that I would challenge a prosecutor to find any competent/certified weapons instructor (even in their paid book of professional witnesses) that EVER taught anything but shooting to end the threat by aiming at the center mass unless that fails and then for a smaller more critical target.
Interesting…do we have the statistics on that from the millions of gun owners across America that have never ever posted any target to meet that dictionary definition?
I would too but they don’t have to, juries are as easily swayed by innuendo as they are fact.
When you get into the civil trial it could pose an even bigger problem.
Fair enough…everything sort of goes out the window when you get to civil trials.
At least here in South Carolina we’re expected to become proficient. CWP holders are expected by our statutes to maintain a high level of proficiency. Of course this varies depending on individual giftedness, but if we can not show at least an average ability on targets, we are not licensed. A great degree of proficiency is lost in stressful events, so we must attempt to improve our range performance. I will eventually post my targets so I can get some critical feedback from the staff here. Before I do, I’ll concentrate on finding my best excuses for poor performance. I like the “training for Imperial storm trooper” excuse. The sun was on the back of my head.
My hands were too steady. I have new glasses, and I’m not used to being able to see this clearly. The target got in my way. The front sight post distracted me. I was too relaxed.
Seriously, I want to be as proficient as possible. We’re taught to shoot to stop the threat. I think it would MOST TIMES not be very possible to strike an arm or leg on purpose in a threat situation.
All of a prosecutor’s exceptions to your training level will not be fruitful, I believe, if you are continuing your training according to your statutes and conducting yourself appropriately.
From time to time I sit through my favorite teacher’s CWP class. I hear questions and advice sometimes I’ve never heard before. I think it’s very important to stay humble. The humble can gain wisdom. Wisdom can gain knowledge and understand how to use it. The proud can only hear themselves, and they become empty fables.
One of my sons will test for his CWP with my favorite class this weekend. I hope he will end up here in USCCA with me. I’ll be attending with him, and I’m certain I’ll pick up at least a small bit of knowledge from someone.
@JamesR I’m in complete agreement with your closing thought in that one reply. Maybe some will disagree, but I would prefer to never have to harm anyone.
Hey @JamesR. Humble brag exists with a high degree of verisimilitude to the oxymoron jumbo shrimp.
As the elocuter projects torrents of humorous expectorants, the confused witnesses digitally agitate their pates.
How would 12 people interpret this statement?
And sharing your targets on a Community that is focused on education and training can easily say you’re looking for additional feedback to make sure your shots are as good as they possibly can be.
Owning multiple guns, owning only one gun, posting your target, not posting your target, documenting every round you fire during training, not documenting every round you fire during training - all of it can be used against you by a prosecutor who wants to twist what you do to fit their case because that’s their job.
A good defense attorney will be able to show how improving your training is a positive for anyone who may have to physically defend themselves.
I decided not to post my scores (and agreed with @WildRose).
However I keep pictures of my targets as “log”… but for myself only.
My concern is that whatever is public, can be easily manipulated against me without my knowledge.
Yes, but no. Anything you do in public can easily be manipulated against you without your knowledge. If you’re shooting well in a range and someone video records that, they can post it online without your consent because you’re in a public place (laws very from state to state).
I choose to put out good targets and bad targets for assistance with my training. Will a prosecuting attorney find a way to use it against me? Yes. Will a prosecuting attorney find a way to use my participation in a pro-Second Amendment community about training and education against me? Yes. That’s their job.
My job is to the best I can - and getting feedback helps me do my job, whatever job that is, the best I can.
…but still… looks I’m the guy who wants avoid something unpredictable… but it’s just me
They would respond by saying “would you mind repeating that in English?” or the foreman passing a note to the judge requesting a dictionary…
Good thing I belong to a group that knows some guys/gals…
There’s lots of very good ways to get that feedback from other than social media/online sources.
Juries are easily swayed against self defenders unfortunately so we are best off being pro active in protecting ourselves just in case we ever do find ourselves in a defensive shooting.
As we’ve discussed many times your entire online/social media history will be gone through with a fine toothed comb so it makes no sense to give them extra ammo or to make things any easier on them.
I’m sorry I don’t have a full size target to show, just this little dinky one.
The shots on the silhouette were testing a weapon I hadn’t tried. I put a few in the center area, then the upper portion, and then one in between. This was a weapon that was supposed to perform well. Maybe I just need time with the different hold.
The two small round targets were from an inexpensive older Tanfoglio made CZ clone I had just picked up.
It shoots much better.
I’ll report on the other again after a little range time.
I found my sight hold on the right round target with the Tanfoglio, then I moved to the left one to test my judgment.
Any tips? I wasn’t doing too good with the first gun at all.
One of my sons is taking his CWP course tomorrow. I was coaching him today on silhouette targets. He is using my CZ 75 Tactical since I have multiple magazines for several handguns. This one felt the most comfortable to him. He did great. If he doesn’t get nervous, he should score 100%. And I’m not biased much. It was so pleasing to be able to watch his score graphically improve with each suggestion. That’s wisdom on his part.
Heading out tomorrow to our range to help out with a “Girls and Guns” event, it’s always interesting to see new shooters on the range and some of that “first time wonder” they have as they learn about the range and the weapons they are about to fire.
My next range training day is next weekend, we’ll see how I do now that it’s starting to get colder.
I’m not seeing problem but then I don’t know the range of target size.
Offhand it looks to me like you’d pass any state’s qualification though.
My son did great on the range for his CWP training. He ate the target center up. All shots were very centered on target. He got 100% score, but 30 shots were dead center bulls eye out of 50 total. Well done.