New Rule: No Red Dots, No Lasers, No Lights on Your Carry Gun

New Rule: No Red Dots, No Lasers, No Lights on Your Carry Gun - Survival World

Gun rights YouTuber William of Copper Jacket TV sounded genuinely stunned in a recent breakdown of a new concealed-carry restriction he found in California: a county-level rule that bans red-dot optics, weapon-mounted lights, and lasers on carry pistols. Coming from a state famous for tight gun laws, the host said this one still “struck [him] as so outrageous” he had to share it. The gist, as he reported it: if you want a concealed carry permit there, you’ll need to leave some of the most common modern safety and aiming accessories at home – or risk denial or revocation of your license.

California’s Patchwork – Explained by William

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Setting the table, William reminded viewers how California historically worked: each county sheriff set their own issuance standards and gear rules for CCW. Pre-Bruen, some counties were effectively “may issue,” others leaned “shall issue,” resulting in a checkerboard of access and conditions. Even after the Supreme Court’s Bruen decision, which expanded the right to carry in public, local offices still retain latitude over how permitted carry happens – what you can list, and what you can attach. It’s in that gray zone, he said, that this county-level accessory ban lives.

Not Proposed – Already Live, Says the Host

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William emphasized this isn’t a draft memo or a trial balloon. He said the rules are posted on the sheriff’s website and are in force right now. Applicants, according to William’s reading, can list two firearms, must own them, and the models are reported to California DOJ. But the kicker is the parameters for what qualifies. If your gun doesn’t fit, your application can be denied. If you change the gun later in a way that violates the list, say you add a red dot after approval, the sheriff can revoke your permit outright.

First, They Limit the Types of Pistols

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Before the accessory bans, the county’s list narrows which handguns qualify, William said. According to him, “single-action only” pistols are out, including any semi-auto built on the Colt 1911 pattern. Meanwhile, DA/SA guns (double-action first shot, single-action subsequent shots) remain acceptable. Derringers and derringer variants are also on the prohibited list. For a lot of responsible carriers, especially 1911 fans, William noted that this alone knocks out trusted, decades-proven platforms that many shoot well and safely.

Then, They Ban the Modern Aiming Tools

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Here’s the line that lit William’s fuse: “Firearms with attached laser sights, flashlights, red dots, and sighting systems are not acceptable.” By contrast, glow-in-the-dark or luminescent sights are fine. In his telling, that means no RMRs, no Holosuns, no weapon-mounted WMLs, no lasers – essentially stripping carry pistols of the very tools many trainers recommend for low-light identification and faster, more precise alignment under stress. William’s verdict: “mind-blowing,” and, in practical terms, counterproductive to safety.

William’s Safety Argument: Identify, Verify, Hit the Right Thing

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William’s core complaint is simple: lights, dots, and lasers are safety tools. A red dot helps shooters focus on the target and align faster – especially for aging eyes or in awkward positions. A white light lets you identify a target, read the background, and reduce the chance of tragic mistakes in low light. A laser can speed up alignment for those who need it in a fight where seconds matter. Removing these tools, he argued, doesn’t reduce risk – it increases it by handicapping the very people trying to carry responsibly.

The County: Contra Costa, East Bay – Population ≈1.2M

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After letting viewers guess, William revealed the jurisdiction: Contra Costa County, across the Bay from San Francisco. He estimated roughly 1.2 million people live under these rules – a population larger than many states. That scale matters. Whatever your position on attachments, sweeping a million-plus people into a no-dot, no-light regime is a massive policy choice. My take: at that size, this isn’t a quirk – it’s a precedent with ripple effects, potentially encouraging similar bans in neighboring counties that want a “safe” template to copy.

He Even Compares It to L.A. – And L.A. Looks Looser

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To calibrate how unusual this is, William contrasted the Contra Costa rules with Los Angeles County. He pointed out that L.A., not exactly a permissive jurisdiction pre-Bruen, doesn’t ban red dots, lights, 1911s, or other items on Contra Costa’s restricted list. Yes, both require the guns to be registered and listed, but the accessory prohibition is unique. If L.A. County can issue permits without banning modern sighting/ID tools, it’s hard not to ask why Contra Costa needs to go further. The patchwork just got patchier.

“Stock Only,” With a Sword Hanging Over Your Permit

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William flagged another practical headache: the rules strongly incentivize a “stock-only” carry gun. Get a permit with a plain-jane pistol and decide six months later that an optic would help your eyes? Under what he read, that could be a revocation trigger. Even a well-intentioned upgrade, say, adding a light to meet best practices for low-light ID, could technically put you out of compliance. In the real world, that chills responsible customization, locks people into suboptimal tools, and makes permit maintenance feel like walking a compliance tightrope.

The Constitutional and Legal Rub (My Read)

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William’s outrage is aimed at safety and common sense, but it inevitably brushes the constitutional question post-Bruen: if public carry is a right, how far can a county go in conditioning how you exercise it? Courts have long tolerated some administrative conditions for permits. But a categorical ban on common, widely-used safety and aiming accessories may invite new challenges – especially if applicants can show these tools are in “common use” for lawful purposes. I’m not predicting outcomes; I’m saying the ingredients for a legal fight are definitely here.

Training Reality: Most Defensive Uses Happen in Low Light

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Set ideology aside and look at training data and real-world risk. Many self-defense encounters occur in dim or no light. Responsible carriers are taught to identify before they shoot. A weapon-mounted light, or at least a dedicated handheld, is fundamental to that discipline. Likewise, dots have become mainstream because they help many shooters place rounds more precisely under stress. William’s argument lands with trainers for a reason: a policy that treats these add-ons like frivolous “tacti-cool” trinkets ignores their genuine safety function.

William’s Call to Attention – and What Comes Next

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William closed by urging viewers to weigh in and spread the word. Whether you agree with him or not, he did what local media often misses: he surfaced an obscure, high-impact rule that affects everyday people. My view: local policy is where rights are increasingly defined, narrowed, or enabled. If you live in Contra Costa, read the sheriff’s page carefully, consult your instructor, and document your setup. If you think the rule undermines safety or overreaches, engage – politically, respectfully, and persistently. County rules can change. They usually only do when enough informed citizens push.

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The insanity of California laws never surprises me.

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I was close. My guess was Alameda County.

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That is why I do not live there. I prefer to live in Don’s or Ron’s head . A Lot more room then Cal. It is also like being in a fantasy park 24/7.

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I agree, nothing surprises me with that state.

If i lived there and had no ties and the financial means, that state would be in my rear view mirror.

I had orders to be stationed there back in the mid 90’s. Had a gut feeling and turned down the orders and went to AK instead. Smartest thing I’ve done when it came to locations

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Smart move choosing Alaska Brother! Once I read California I didn’t care which County it was. Just another day there.

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Which one? Don’s or Ron’s :joy::joy::joy:

Wasn’t a hard decision between Concorde CA or Anchorage

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Ron’s head is my vacation stop . It is a little simpler lifestyle. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Think respiratory is easily understood or simple, this is a case study of just how complicated it is. Going to Vegas, watch out if you go to N. Las Vegas. Was going so did the homework. Glad I did. Unfortunately, our homework is getting infinitely more complicated. Any discussion of constitutionality is of no consequence unless you’re willing to be the case study. Law enforcement in these jurisdictions will in all likelihood enforce the law, constitutional or not, and now your life will become a little more complicated. I’ll say it from my perspective, and don’t imply anyone else should follow suit. When going into the unknown. I carry a wheel gun. It eliminates a lot of issues and questions like magazine capacities or safeties etc. I even watch what ammo I carry. Why, because this is not the first I heard of cities or counties going rogue. Unfortunately it’s a version of the same cancer that has spawned sanctuary cities and the like. Just be aware and don’t tempt fate by not doing your homework.

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Oops! Next time I need to do a better job proof reading: I meant Reciprocity above.

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No Worries Bruh! Good Post.

I’m not going anywhere. Florida might be great! But Better The DEVIL YOU KNOW in my case. My reasoning is simple—-IF Attacked I KNOW the area, what roads to take and Neighborhoods NOT TO VENTURE INTO.

New city creates new problems. (Right now New Mex SUCKS! But I know I won’t be going to California so (2) down (48) to go….

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I am wondering, since I am the OP of this particular thread, is there a way I can delete individual replies from other forum members?

I do not wish for this to become a Urinary Olympic free-for-all like so many other topics do when opinions collide.

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No Sir, there isn’t a way to “delete” another person’s post(s), other than to flag it which would effectively hide it.

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Well…Darn it.

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Hit the ‘IGNORE’ button on the O=ffender! effectively BLASTING the individual off the face of the Earth! Doing yourself and mankind all a favor! I DID! IT WORKS!

later on you will see your handiwork not only on your Topic but every topic henceforth!

THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON GIVING! :rofl:

But NOT JUST IGNORE! IT MUST BE FOREVER! Don’t make it a week! a Month! FOR EVER!

If enough Gunners do this The USCCA will have NO CHOICE BUT TO BANISH these Trolls themselves! They won’t do it outright, they must be shown we’ve had enough!.

As for your Topic—-California/Newsome banning Plastic or rubber replacement GRIPS ON Guns is Next! Or wait one! Maybe the Blue light my Gun safe on the side of my bed gives of an Offensive GLOW! BAN GUN SAFES! MuahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaShite Stoopid they are! Good Topic thanks fer posting!

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I have a problem doing this, but sometimes you just gotta do it. With me ignoring that one or three individuals, I will no longer see their posts, but they will see and still post replies which other individuals will reply to and the whole thing perpetuates into the Urinary Olympic I mentioned above.

I try to take a “middle of the road” viewpoint on many subjects and offer non confrontational replies when I feel so inclined. There are those certain subjects, though, which I am quite deeply emotional about and the Warrior in me comes out. I have rightfully been blasted for those subjects because my opinion does not fit the standard form.

I guess I’m just devolving into a grumpy old fart wishing everyone would just leave me the phuch alone.

Well…almost everyone…

(edited for spelling)

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San diego county, based on this story, is a lot more gun owner friendly. The state does have a gun list there are definitely 1911s on it.

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Welcome HOME Blood Brother to the ‘GOF’ CLUB!
We Just Want To Be Left Alone But the DEVIL wears Combat Boots sometimes.

We are @ WAR! and ‘IGNORING’ these POS’s is the easiest of Battles! I’m really sorry it goes against your Grain but it does SEND A MESSAGE! LOUD AND CLEAR!

(100) Texas Teachers are being INVESTIGATED for Vile, Racist, Violent Posts on Anti-Social media… If found at fault bye bye Teaching License and a complete BAN from Teaching in Texas. (A good start).

POS’s are losing their JOBS Everyday now due to their EXTREMISM!

Wait till we get around to these Communist Politicians! THE CLEANSING HAS BEGUN!

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“One Signature Away” – Gun Ban Set to Become the Largest 2A Infringement in Years©Image Credit: Wikipedia

According to the NRA-ILA, California lawmakers wrapped the 2025 session by shipping a stack of new gun restrictions to Gov. Gavin Newsom’s desk – headlined by AB 1127, the bill widely dubbed the “Glock ban.” The NRA-ILA warns that AB 1127 joins AB 1078, AB 1263, and SB 704 as measures now awaiting one pen stroke from the governor, and urges gun owners to press for vetoes. Their bottom line: this package is a sweeping escalation that burdens only the law-abiding.

AND AWAY WE GO! Keep it up Gavin’ You’re ONE STEP AWAY FROM LOSING ALL FEDERAL FUNDING!

Keep PISSING IN THE WIND man!

NOTE TO LEFTISTS—-’YOU ARE NOT AS SMART AS YOU THINK YOU ARE!’

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