Michigan residents trying to create 2A sanctuary counties

The hullabaloo in Virginia seems to be creating some panic amongst citizens across the country. Here in Michigan a group quickly formed on social media and now ad hoc council’s are being formed to convince governments at the local level to adopt sanctuary county status for 2A.

This is all well and good except it’s entirely symbolic. Michigan’s preemption laws are what are actually keeping our 2A safe. The number one thing this group has taught me is that almost 50,000 firearms owners in Michigan are entirely ignorant to the laws our State has and 99% of them will argue to the death that they are the only one correct in their assertions because a sheriff twenty some years ago said such and such.

The whole thing has become a massive facepalm. Insulting and belittling KNOWN 2A specialist Attorneys who are trying to keep people informed and educated is the norm, and lord help you if you’re LEO or related to one…

I don’t know about anyone else but I’m ready for the zombie apocalypse now…

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I used to say this alot, especially to new medics. “A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing”. I also remind myself of this alot.

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Even if it is symbolic there is still value. The 2A sanctuary was on the ballot in my county and passed with approx 80% support… something that won’t be lost on elected officials in the county.

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I didn’t say symbolic was useless, more using it to demonstrate how little michiganders know the laws. And it’s willful ignorance too.

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Yeah, I’m watching on there and someone described it as having “turned into a dumpster fire” …
I’m actually pleased to see so many people passionate… even if under informed. There were two county meetings somewhere in the state that people showed up to tonight. I like that too… people out of their chairs.

It’s a rabble right now, but at least they’re awake.

Contrast that with the comparable Missouri page where we have 124 members, not 50,000.

We’ve got better elected officials, and no real threat to gun rights this session because they won’t get out of committee, but the same laws are being proposed.

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I like the enthusiasm too. I’m just seriously frustrated with that mob. Every post devolves into a s**tshow inside a dumpsterfire as people argue over who is right and who is wrong and usually they all are. Admins remove most of those posts before too long, I guess it’s easier than removing all of the incorrect answers.

Honestly I’m just referring people to Michigan Open Carry for answers at this point. (And one of the moderators for that group is also one for MOC =/)

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I have spoke to a good friend of mine who happens to the the PD Inspector about this and says that the police chief where I live would not enforce these “laws” if Whitmer tried to bring this to Michigan. She has tried to introduce these laws back in November, I believe, and it hasn’t went anywhere. All though the 2A Sanctuary cities/counties may be symbolic, it does send a clear message that the residents of that area will not comply and are willing to take a stand.

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Let me stock up on more ammo first please!

(I’m kidding!!!)

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Please feel free to send people to “www.uscca.com/laws” for the latest laws.
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/mi-gun-laws/

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@Dawn

I would, but there’s zero point. As I said, it’s willful ignorance. There are Attorneys from Michigan Open Carry in there linking the exact laws being discussed and people aren’t taking the time to read.

It’s at the point where entire conversations are getting nuked by admins because the arguing won’t stop.

The only good thing I can say about this Facebook group is, I’ve found groups of like minded people who offer all the training I could want in just about any skill set I could want. Unless something changes, Monday I will be meeting one or more of them face to face.

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@pcloth2

Did you see Chatfields response to this craze?

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No I haven’t. What does he have to say about this?

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Bring on the apocalypse… just need a bug out spot somewhere off in the deep woods of Michigan. Everything you need to know is in the documentary TWD.

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The documentary “TWD” … I had to google (it’s been a day). :woman_facepalming:
LOL!!!

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I totally knew what it was😁 … After I asked my wife.

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Michigan gun owners – Your right to keep and bear arms will not be infringed!

There’s been increased talk lately in the national conversation of gun confiscation. We’ve heard candidates running for President declare that they absolutely plan to forcibly take certain firearms from American citizens. We’ve now seen governors threaten to use the National Guard to enforce new, unconstitutional gun measures. And more recently, a congressman said that any opposition to a national gun confiscation would be short lived because the federal government “has nukes.”

These statements have understandably made many Michigan residents nervous. But let me make something perfectly clear: no law will pass this term in Michigan that will infringe on your constitutional right to keep and bear arms. It won’t happen. I, along with my fellow House Republicans, won’t allow it. You can take that promise to the bank.

We do need to do all that we can to ensure our rights are protected and communities are kept safe. We can and should do both. Instead of always pointing fingers for political gain whenever there’s a shooting, we should all have realistic conversations about safety. Shootings occurred during President Obama’s presidency, and shootings have occurred during President Trump’s presidency – stabbings, too. But if we’re going to have a gun debate, let’s look at all the facts and not make decisions with blinders on or base our decisions on what we heard on TV.

For instance, did you know that homicides using a firearm have declined over the past 30 years? In fact, according to Pew Research Center, the violent crime rate in our country has fallen 51% from the year 1993 to 2018. What’s interesting about this is that 6 out of 10 Americans believe that violent crime has actually increased, simply because it gets more national attention nowadays. Murder in general has decreased, too. In 2017, there were 17,284 reported murders in America, with a firearm accounting for 7,032 of them. This is compared to 24,700 reported murders in 1991.

And while guns are certainly a part of the debate, I do not think that guns are the problem. If gun ownership was the sole problem, then Chicago would be a safer place to live than the Upper Peninsula. But it’s not. Even worse, Chicago has much stricter gun laws. Of course, no one has ever heard of a “no guns allowed” sign ever saving a life. This is because we need to focus on the individual pulling the trigger. We need to get these people the mental health services they need before they injure themselves or someone else and stop focusing on the law-abiding gun owners who only seek to defend themselves and their families.

Instead, we have big government officials who resort only to taking away freedoms that have been purposefully enshrined in our Constitution. It’s actually astonishing. What part of “Shall not be infringed” do politicians not understand?

Here’s the bottom line: I believe that our nation needs God. To quote John Adams, “Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” If we have a breakdown of our morals and ability to self-police ourselves, then our Constitution will no longer work for us. It’s built upon the concept of freedom and self-governance. While I believe government has a responsibility, the answers do not always lie in “making a new law.” The biggest change must come from within.
-Lee Chatfield, Speaker of the House

Taken from Speaker Chatfields Facebook page.

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Amen!!! Mr. Chatfield!

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" A little learning is a dangerous thing;
drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
there shallow drafts intoxicated the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again. "
-Alexander Pope

One of the wisest and most important pieces of advice, particularly for those of us who self-educate.

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Hey Spence, Are there really people here in Michigan trying to start 2A Sanctuary cities and/or counties?

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AMEN and AMEN!!

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