I did inform the people I listed (as should anyone else who uses this application, just in case), but the reality in practice is that the NH state police do not actually call your references. I think the “references” section is something that was left on the form from years past, but is no longer utilized when processing the application. Everyone I know who has gotten the nonresident permit from NH since they’ve made it less restrictive did not have any of their references contacted.
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Thanks for posting. I may give it a shot (no pun intended).
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You’re welcome! Spread the word; it is a relatively little-known route, but a good one. I live in a gun-friendly county in NC, but I used the New Hampshire method because it is cheaper ($100 total vs $90+training), easier (no 8-hour in-person training course, shorter permit wait time), and less invasive (no fingerprints, no releasing your medical records to the sheriff). I also don’t want to reward the state of NC with my money for violating my rights.
If you’re interested in getting help with the Mecklenburg sheriff’s violation of the carry permitting law, you may want to contact GRNC, since they are the ones orchestrating the legal case against him, if I recall correctly. Information you provide them may help in the case against McFadden.
Link to video of a recent press conference by GRNC. (turn on closed captions if you can’t hear well due to the wind noise)
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I actually joined GRNC last night. Will send them a note as well.
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Are you sure that the New Hampshire permit is good here? I read what USCCA had for the laws and it reads like if you are a resident of North Carolina you need to have a North Carolina permit to carry. They recognize all other states, but not if you are a resident of North Carolina (at least how I interpreted it). I’m on with USCCA now to see what they say.
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The USCCA info has been incorrect on this for some time now. You may want to ask them to please review the relevant NC statutes and correct their map. NC law was amended with a reciprocity statute that is all-inclusive (does not exclude NC residents from using it).
Many other states with reciprocity statutes include language to prevent their own residents and/or under-21s from using it this way, but North Carolina is one of the few that has not done so.
Here is the law governing concealed carry. Note that no minimum age or state of residence is mentioned (just the fact that the person needs a permit recognized by NC).
Here is the reciprocity law that was added more recently, which clarifies that all permits issued by other states are valid/recognized in NC.
You need to be an NC resident to apply for an NC resident permit, but that’s not what you’d be doing. You would be carrying under a NH nonresident permit, which is perfectly legal and valid in NC due to the reciprocity law.
Additionally, the USCCA rep may try to tell you that NC law says “the minimum age is 21” if they are not reading the law carefully and accidentally conflate “age to apply for an NC resident permit” with “age to carry in NC”. The two concepts are not the same.
The NC legal age to apply for an NC resident permit is 21, but that is not the same thing as a minimum age to concealed carry. To concealed carry, you just need a valid concealed carry permit, which, thanks to the reciprocity statute, includes all non-expired permits issued by every other state, including New Hampshire.
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Thanks again for the info. Trying to make sense of it all.
I found this link as well here that is part of the other statues. It has some goofy language in it but I can’t find anything that specifically says if you are a resident you have to have an NC carry permit.
I may have to try the New Hampshire route.
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It’s admittedly a very unusual situation, essentially unique to our state. But I have spent a long time looking over the laws and consulting with others, and I have never been offered evidence to indicate that NC’s reciprocity law does not apply to NC residents. Whether the legislators intended reciprocity to be used this way (to bypass psychopathic sheriffs abusing the NC permitting system) is a whole separate debate, but the law is the law.
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This is NOT law; this is a BILL. Furthermore, it’s old as all get out. Current law has been cited.
I learned many years ago, “When something makes sense, seek no other sense.”
Stated another way, when you hit pay dirt, quit digging.
And when in doubt, seek a knowledgeable NC Attorney on matters of NC Gun Law in NC.
To be clear, you are stating that the two links I provided are the law, correct? Because the links I cited are current/official NC statutes. Just want to make sure anyone reading along understands this, because it can be confusing, especially when the USCCA’s own information on their NC page is inaccurate.
The USCCA page says that NC residents must get an NC resident permit in order to carry concealed, which is not true, because under our particular reciprocity laws, NC residents could use a nonresident permit from another state instead. The USCCA page also indicates that the minimum age to carry concealed in NC is 21, which is not true. There is a statutory age of 18 to possess a handgun, and, although there is a statutory age of 21 to apply for an NC resident permit, the fact remains that an NC resident permit is not the only type of valid permit available to an NC resident. States like New Hampshire will gladly issue valid nonresident permits to North Carolinians, including 18-year-olds. Anyone over 18 with any concealed carry permit from any state can carry concealed in NC, so long as the information on said permit is current and accurate (meaning if an NC state trooper were to pull you over and run your permit, the issuing state’s system would reply “yep, that’s a valid permit that we issued”).
I emailed USCCA about this once before in an effort to get them to correct their information, but I got a generic response from a first-line representative, who just ignored what I said and parroted what is currently on the web page, without citing any relevant statute.
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Yes, I do agree that your link cites the current statute.
As to the other parts, I am not an attorney, nor am I qualified to interpret the law, or parts of it.
I will, however, catalog this question, and pose it next month during my visit at the NC justice Academy.
I have my thoughts, but I won’t Aire them just yet.
I also have a Virginia carry permit. Carrying is not the real issue, as the NC permit remains valid so long as your request for renewal is received before its expiration date or until your renewal is refused. Neither the VA permit nor the expired NC permit can be used to purchase a handgun, however. I did foresee this problem (based on the experiences of several thousand really pi**ed off Mecklenburg permit holders) and purchased 6 pistol purchase permits ($30) the same week as I applied for my carry permit renewal. As issue right now is I only have two purchase permits remaining and it is somewhat a PITA to go through the process (again).
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I think McFadden got a court order in June to stop screwing around with the purchase permits, so you may have a relatively quick experience with those going forward. It’s the carry permits that he continues to illegally withhold while flooding the VA with fake requests for medical records of non-veterans.
Pretty crazy that the Democrats have continued to defend the Jim Crow law they implemented 100 years ago to prevent blacks from purchasing pistols, and it is even crazier that black sheriffs in Mecklenburg and Wake are the most steadfast abusers of the system.
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Not crazy…SICKENING!
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Better yet, like about half the nation is “Constitutional Carry”. Though they usually do not include non-residents in their “Constitutional Carry”. In Virginia, one is “allowed” to open carry, regardless of state of residence, as long as one is legally “allowed” to be in possession of a firearm. One still is required to have a permit/license to CC, but all states are accepted, unlike many other states.
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What did they have to say?
I will find out on the 31st.
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On another note Mecklenburg County recently took down the status of the application dates they are working on from their website. They were starting to trend well past the 45 day limit they have to work them. I think the VA cleared their backlog so now it’s all on Meck. I’m still waiting and nobody there will answer the phone or return voicemails. Soooooo frustrating!!
I live in Caswell County . I got my initial back in 3 weeks. I have renewed a few times 2 weeks is the avg on that. Seems like the closer to a big city a person is. The slower they are. Our Sheriff dept does a good job with it 
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Yep I heard the same thing about the VA
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