Well I ended up getting the LIFETIME ECHP when I first got mine so I am going to keep them with me at all times even if they pass the reciprocity act bill. 
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In VA. It says Permit to carry a concealed handgun.
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In North Carolina it is correctly referred to as a permit.
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I have a license besause the State of Indiana issues a license. Mine is lifetime. Licenses or Permits can vary from state to state.
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It’s just semantics. Legally, a piece of paper from a government that allows you to do something is a “license” no matter what it is called. But it really doesn’t matter.
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Interesting, I didn’t know that it was an actual paper in CA. thanks for sharing.
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From the comments from members from different states it’s clear that it’s semantics. Additionally I would not have used a drivers license as an example because it is legally viewed as a privilege and not a right. Missouri is a constitutional carry state but crossing state lines requires a CC permit/license. As far as semantics the most important words in our legislation to me are “shall issue”
Not, may issue or can issue but shall issue.
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Welcome to the family brother @Bill77 and you are blessed to be here.
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Both my Wyoming and Utah cards indicate they are permits.
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Welcome to the family brother @Bill77 , glad you could join us
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Proud to live in a Constitution carry state. Every law-abiding citizen of this state, or visitors to this state, has their firearms permit safely locked away at the Smithsonian. I keep a copy of it on my computer, phone and and a printed copy of it at my home. It is called the US Constitution and if you look in the second amendment, there is your permit.
I do have an Enhance Carry Permit for when i travel for reciprocity.
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I love in TN also…and the whole “Constitutional Carry” law goes into effect on July 1st, 2021. Constitutional Carry is the proverbial “double-edged sword” for the law-abiding and carrying citizens of my home state. We will have to see how this new law plays out.
I train at my gun range 3 or more times a month, and it is stunning to see some newbies handling and shooting their firearm (even with a very seasoned range master present, who has to pull some off the range). And to think those same folks will be allowed to open or conceal carry, as long as they are 21 years old, can legally do so without having a firearm carry permit (which I have) and with no classroom instruction or practical, instructor superviser shooting experience (and I have both), is in one word…frightening.
And Governor Lee supposedly supports our State’s LE officers, but voted this into law despite the multiple LE agencies who petitioned and advised against being done…absolutely nuts. Our LE officers have enough things to deal with and now this is another potential issue for them to deal with as well…imagine getting to the scene of a crime and everyone around them has a firearm…you should get the picture on what that means for them to have to sort out.
For the positive note, perhaps criminals and the bad guys will NOT commit more acts of crime or violence since they will have little to no idea WHO might be possibly carrying, and can defend themselves.
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Not all of us were born experts.None of us are born experienced. You seem to be wanting some gun control, but realize those “newbies” you ostracize are most likely learning from their errors, and better to be at a range with some guidance than in a parking lot or ballgame. Perhaps you can offer some training as I have done.Just read the 3 safest states in the country (2017) are Maine, VT and NH…all constitutional carry states. Seems a LE officer just killed a hero who had shot a cop killer…despite their no doubt expert status and massive training…jus’ sayin’.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/e2-80-98hero-e2-80-99-man-fatally-shot-cop-killer-near-denver-before-officer-accidentally-killed-him-police-say/ar-AALsuyV
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I commend you for a very good reply on this subject, and I feel the need to clarify a couple of points.
I do not believe in gun control, but I do believe in effective PEOPLE control. As we both know, guns don’t kill people; people kill people. And we also know that there will always be people with guns who shouldn’t have them for a variety of legit reasons. However, going through the process of getting a handgun carry permit and to legally carry, I feel, helps to eliminate some of the folks who shouldn’t have a weapon ON them (and that is a difference when it comes to standing their ground in a home invasion situation). And the same process can help those folks to become responsible gun owners who will learn and abide by the 4 Commandments of gun safety (while at the range and practicing with their weapon and when carrying); and also fully understand the possible consequences of using deadly force if they should ever have to use it. And yes, we also know that even if those folks go “through the process” there is no guarantee that they will, in fact, become a responsible gun owner; but it is better to go through the process than NOT at all IMO…a last ditch effort to ensure proper responsibility.
Although I am not a pro marksman, I have helped and encouraged several people who were hesitant to become gun owners, to purchase AND get training so they can become responsible owners; and I will continue to do so.
I hope this clarifies a little more my stance on Constitutional Carry. Again, it can be a double-edged sword. And I pray that my home state will join the list of safest states to live in with Constitutional Carry in place.
Now…if we can just get the media to QUIT reporting stories labeled as “GUN Violence”…it is PEOPLE Violence. I have never, ever seen a weapon become violent LOL
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Agree with much of what you say, but I’ve observed a lot of issues getting permits into the hands of those who’ve jumped through the hoops going about things in the legal manner here in CT. A few former co-workers were waiting over 6 months to get their permit after submitting paperwork, and the temp permit is good for 2 months, creating a lot of confusion.Middletown CT got sued, as the waits were over 9 months pre-covid, and temp permits were expiring sending those trying to follow the guidelines back to square one…taking the class all over again. A lot of expense involved as well; when I got permitted, it was $100 for the basically worthless class (often taught by LEO’s), $140 for the background check to THE LOCAL PD (yeah, that’s another reason why they are against constitutional carry), and another $75 to the state for the permit, so $315 which hurts if you’re a single mom or low income, and is the price of some pretty decent pistols . The course I took here some years back, honestly, it’s just an exposure to firearms and safety,touching the surface and hopefully folks take it upon themselves to advance safety and technique fundamentals.
I was reading recently, think it was in SC, where the local Sheriff wouldn’t issue a permit unless he liked you (or you bribed him, I dunno?), and then he fired his deputy for issuing permits to people who he, the Sheriff, didn’t like…memory a bit foggy on this one, may have been you could get permitted in a neighboring community, and this sheriff started taking things personally. Anyways, eliminate the government from the equation, you eliminate a lot of the expense and any potential bs.
Opposite of constitutional carry…we can look to NYC, draconian gun policy, basically a will NOT issue state, can’t carry outside your dwelling…unless…(wait for it)…you’re THIS GUY.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-presence-to-ramp-up-in-times-square-after-marine-shot/ar-AALx5sT?li=BBnb7Kz
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geez, same article, linked …convicted felon…with a gun…imagine that. When I mentioned parking lot above, I didn’t realize how soon that was going to be th ecase…aims for 1, hits the other. Better to be at the range getting pulled aside by the RSO, imo.
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I really do feel sorry for the folks that live in such suppressed States that treat their citizens in such ways as you have described. In Tennessee, to get a CC permit is very much different than some of the problems you have seen. For me, following the legal channels to get permitted, it was a total of just under 2 1/2 months to have my permit in hand. Asking other folks (who got permitted during and after Covid shutdowns), they had the same time period as I did…even though the places offering State-approved training courses to get permitted were backed-up and had to place people on a waiting list in some cases during Covid. In Tennessee, in-person courses also requires a passing score on live-fire shooting as well, which I believe is a good idea.
Some New York native friends of mine had the same issue with trying to get a CC permit there, which is virtually impossible to do. They were surprised by the easier process it was to get permitted once they moved to Tennessee and applied.
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I to live in Tn. and I am very proud the governor signed the constitutional carry into law. I do agree that peoples which chose to carry without permit would at less take a safety class and a shooting class but if not they will soon know if they should be carrying, God forbid any dangerous situation come their way.
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Funny thing with Philly its a License to carry Permit lol so both
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2 1/2 months is not a small delay.
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