My state (Tennessee ) in a constitutional carry state and i have one problem. Before Tennessee became a constitutional carry state, we that has a permit, our permit is connected to our license and now that those which carry constitutionally, their is no connection to there license. I feel that if a state is a constitutional carry state, for those which has a permit, it should not be connected to their license anymore. To me it is unfair to permit holders.
Not sure how close out permits are tied to our license plates here in Utah but we have the same thing going on. The Constitutional Carry laws took effect earlier this year.
My personal opinion is that none should have permit connected to plates/none should be set up so that when pulled over out of state, those out of state LE automatically know you have a carry license.
I am legal in my state, and in some others. But my stance is that the whole concept of a permit to exercise a right is flawed from the outset.
But how far has objecting to infringement actually gotten me?
Don’t carry? Don’t comply? Get the permission slip?
If I really didn’t want law enforcement to know,
– I really wouldn’t have gone to the sheriff’s office with my fingerprints — would I?
– I really wouldn’t complete a 4473 to buy a gun — would I?
– And I really wouldn’t have an easy time getting out of trouble if caught — would I?
Just one of those times to pick one’s battles, and the strongest tactics once engaged.
In this particular situation, I am aware that traffic stops are hazardous to all participants for a variety of reasons. It might matter who you are, and who your cops are, but generally speaking — If I must have a carry license — I think we may all be a bit safer in a traffic stop if everybody knows that everybody is armed. Prior to engagement.
Having a carry license doesn’t mean you are armed.
Getting pulled over in New Jersey simply for being out of state and getting your car searched inside and out simply because you have a carry license isn’t making anybody safer.
Good example of how
I have no idea how out of state plates could provide PC for a stop, nor how holding a carry permit could provide PC for a search.
Not everything police do is legal, but I don’t doubt that the bad ones (or from bad jurisdictions) will pick upon those they believe cannot or will not go to the lengths required to call them on it. And I agree that no one should need to detour around unlawful jurisdictions or put a lawyer on retainer in order to drive through.
The correct solution involves legal law enforcement and national recognition of the Second Amendment. Working on it, but I don’t have a solution yet.
I would like to propose that national recognition of the Second Amendment would include no carry licenses, let alone attaching carry license status to your vehicle registration or drivers license.
But that’s my own opinion
@techs , you bring up a good debate.
@Nathan57 , your response is why I put this up. I travel to Illinois, Chicago mostly. Sometimes I carry and sometimes I don’t but the unnecessary stops and search’s do become a problem to me.
I understand your argument, however, as a permit holder you also have reciprocity is some states that do not recognize CC. If you want to detach your permit from your driver’s license/registration you can cancel your permit and follow CC only.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not a proponent of concealed carry licenses, but they are still a reality and they have a value over CC in many jurisdictions.
I’m not sure, philosophically, that I can see any value over CC.
Using CC to mean something other than concealed carry is really confusing me.
Permitless carry is simply superior and the way it ought to be.
However, because other states are not all on board, the have your cake and eat it too option is for your state to have permitless carry but also give you the option of getting a permit, for reciprocity purposes. And also for skipping redundant NICS processing at the FFL (the value of requiring NICS and 4473 is a different discussion)
I agree philosophically, there should be no value. Philosophically, gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals …
But, if you want to go to Ohio (or any other non-permitless carry state) or drive through Illinois, you cannot do so legally without a permit. Kentucky is a Constitutional Carry state but I still make my wife renew her permit because we leave the state and are in Indiana and Ohio often.
That is very true, I just feel that if those which choose to carry under CC , if it is not linked to their plates, every CC state should unlink those which have a permit for traveling. I can’t cancel enhanced life time permit.
I will keep my permit regardless because I do travel to many other states.
If the LEO runs your plate before they stop you - most don’t. They don’t even know who you are. That’s why some of them get shot and/or killed as they approach your car. If they knew who you were and about your permit, they’d handle the stop differently - with kales risk to themselves.
In my experience, most do run info before they approach you (vehicle registration and then registered owner). And if not, they generally run your info after you are stopped, when they take your drivers license. In either case, there are states (like Florida) where your permit status will be known to them
Didn’t know this but doesn’t matter to me.
My permit is tied to any record pulled by the Kentucky police. They look up your name for any reason, they see everything including my permit. Odds are it is not just tied to you plates. Personally, I do not care. It does not change the way I inner act with them. A friend was stopped while I was riding with him and when they asked for my ID, I handed him my Driver’s License and CCDW Permit (he would know it either way). I also informed him I was carrying and where it was located on my body. All he said was OK and leave it where it is, don’t reach for it. For the better part of 49 years, I have made a habit of handing them both ID cards.
I will admit, I am the least bit concerned for those who go with Constitutional/Permitless carry, because the last thing I would want an officer to find unexpectedly is a concealed firearm. However, I do believe it should be lawful. When a person has gone to the effort and expense of getting the permit, I think most LEOs will realize they are probably not a dangerous criminal.
That is an interesting problem, CCW recorded against vehicle license plate. In Tennessee, (1) can you request new plates, and (2) does the CCW follow the new plates?
A related question for USCCA: Whether in Tennessee or any other state, is one’s CCW recorded against one’s drivers license?