The classic case of FAFO.
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Good shoot IMHO. There’s no way he could’ve known if the hipster had a knife or anything else.
The fact that he fired only the one shot, then made effort to throw the gun away from the mele makes me wonder why though….
Did it jam?
Did he not intend on firing?
My guess would be jammed, but it would still be an effective club so why throw it away in that chaos?
He was obviously concerned with where it went after the disposed of it….
Easy to armchair quarterback though.
Good on him for trying to render aid afterwards though.
And I loved his comment to that shrieking C’bag,… “STOP! go away!”
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The fact that he didn’t know the attacker had a weapon should have been enough to stop him from drawing his gun. When I see someone acting emotional and irrational, I don’t do the same. I try to act rationally and get the attacker to do the same.
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Soooo….
When someone charges through traffic and tackles you to the ground, your going to just lay there and politely take their assault?
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I think he had reasonable cause to think he was in danger of great bodily harm or death. The guy charged him and was beating him Keep in mind this is on concrete. What’s to stop that terrorist lover from grabbing his head and smashing into the concrete?
He took one shot to neutralize the threat, made sure the gun was out of play and THEN rendered aid.
A weapon in not required for fear of bodily harm, if the assailant is bigger, stronger, has leverage etc then it is justified.
Lastly, why wasn’t the ahole who ran across the street and tackled Mr. Hayes charged with anything?
I hate this state. I really do.
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Another unhinged political adversary attacking unprovoked…
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I think (after watching the video) He didn’t have just cause there was no weapon and I didn’t see a disparity in force.
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There are more than two options. I would choose the rational one and piled him off his victim. He looked like an emotional twit to me.
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They act like mange animals. Foot on the neck. One in the head. Scrape them up and bury them in a mass grave with the rest of the roadkill. I want my world back.
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I admit that I only briefly watched while doing other things so I certainly won’t argue the point. I guess we will see what happens.
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Rather than answer questions, she made false campaign statements.
The “moderators” clearly favored her.
If you can call that a debate?
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I will….
Hipster pro Palestine (purple shirt). Charged across what looked like 4 lanes of traffic and tackled an otherwise peaceful gun owner to the ground! (Blue shirt)
Said gun owner drew his weapon already under duress and direct physical assault and fired a shot.
Watch closely you will see the boots to the head are applied to purple shirt pro Palestine attacker.
While Good guy with a gun is trying to recover his firearm.
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For All the arm chair quarterbacks who weren’t there and know nothing about the mental state of the guy being attacked, it look as though he was retreating not going to meet the attacker in the street. Strength, agility, speed, for successful Self defense changes with AGE and the knowledge/realization that it has changes a reality that causes action that some can easily condemn.
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One guy charges a group? Sounds like a jihadi to me, willing to die for his cause. Tells me he is completely unpredictable and dangerous.
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Who knows what his preception of his threat was, just his decision to act as he did. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he factored in his assessment to deal otherwise was not an option for him. He obviously felt threatened. I guess one would have to be
there in his shoes to see if from his perspective.
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Well, it’s BLUE Massachusetts… this vet is screwed.
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I Massachusetts he will most definitely be spending time in jail.
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From the 2nd article posted.
she is charging Hayes with two crimes: assault and battery with a dangerous weapon and violation of a constitutional right causing injury
How about the victims constitutional rights of freedom to peacefully assemble, right to free speech and self defense? That’s right, it only goes one way.
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I don’t have to and Shouldn’t wait to be attacked and injured before I defend myself. In fact, around here it’s understood all I need to do is “Reasonably Believe” someone is going to use illegal force against me or another.
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You can defend yourself. One can not use deadly force.
The legality of using deadly force depends on the circumstances and the role of the person using it:
Police officers
The Department of Justice (DOJ) says that police officers can use deadly force when they reasonably believe they or someone else is in imminent danger of death or serious injury. They also say that officers should not use deadly force to stop a fleeing suspect, and that they should give a verbal warning before using deadly force.
Self-defense
In general, a person can use deadly force in self-defense if they reasonably believe they are in imminent danger of death or serious injury, and that the force is necessary to save themselves. The danger doesn’t have to be actual, but it must appear real to a reasonably cautious person.
Preventing a crime
A person can use deadly force to prevent a violent or forcible felony if they reasonably believe the offense is about to be committed.
Some states have replaced the “reasonable person” standard with a “presumption of reasonableness” or “presumption of fear”. This shifts the burden of proof to the prosecutor.
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