I wish I had left MA 20 years earlier.
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Clearly, the District Attorney is bias against self-defense, and hopefully the victim, who was clearly attacked (all on video) will be represented by a very good Lawyer. The attacker surely was stupid to run across the street and physically attack the other person. Those actions need to be addressed in court as well as the video. Clearly was āSelf Defenseā, and there were several witnesses, whom hopefully, will testify against the attacker. The attacker needs to be charged as well for the assault, and be held responsible for causing what resulted to him (being shot) because of his stupid action.
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Nobody ever said life was fair. People canāt go around shooting people because theyāre scared of what they might do. If the shooter wouldnāt have shot everybody would have clearly gone home. The situation has to warrant the use of deadly force to use deadly force. In my opinion, the problem here is everybody got emotional. Emotions cause irrational behavior.
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Seriously? Scared and emotional?
Now if he had shot Mr pro Palestine while he was still playing frogger in traffic, THAT wouldāve been scared and emotional!
He didnāt fire until he was physically on the ground actively being attacked!!!
This was a good shoot, I sincerely hope he gets a good lawyer and comes out of this encounter with his freedom and rights intact.
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I can understand your empathy. I didnāt see anyoneās was in imminent danger of loosing their life or great bodily harm except for the guy with the gun. If he would have gotten shot by a responsible gun owner I think it would have been a good shoot.
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Will B. Ding Ding Ding Ding! Nailed it!
All I have to add to this is:
But
Did
He
Die!..
the answer is āNOT YET!ā
You come @ me, knock me to the ground, youāre going to get some form of āPUSH BACK!ā Hellās Bellās chances are if Iām frigginā paying attention to Rag doll Achmed (and I sure as He** would be he wouldnāt make the End Zone! (getting to me).
Heād be a PPāPalestinian Puddle on the sidewalk. And Iāll be damn sure NOT to ārender Aidā to the SOB who attacked me!
āCall the Prophet, I think Iām gonna crash!ā
mi tres Centavos
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A couple screenshots from the video,ā¦
The moment of first contact, the attacker (who got shot) is off the ground flying with his full body weight into our good guy with a gun
And here you see the soon to be shot attacker with his elbow on the neck of the defender pressing his head into the concrete sidewalk.
I may not be a reasonably cautious person, but it sure as hell looks like a very real and palpable threat of injury.
Which by your own description of self defense allows for the use of lethal force.
Iām not going to delve into Mass gun laws, but Iām done feeding the troll on this one.
Good shoot. 
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Well done grasshopper! Time for you to leave.
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I agree with the former point. Call 911 and ask for an ambulance, from a safe distance away from the man who just tried to do you in.
Also, why is this Hamas disciple not arrested for terrorism? Free pass in Mass, got it.
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Yep on every point Alexander Plus+Plus!
I may live in what I guess they call a āPurpleā state
Blu Blue in Abq. and Santa fe----Purple on the Suburbs.
If something every happened like that to thereās a 50/50 chance of doing OK w/ the Law.
Santa Fe is worse like Massatwosh!tsā¦Good luck Brother against the Blu Meanies!
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I think this video is a very good example of why it is important to have at least some physical skills to go along with gun skills.
My Monday morning quarterback assesment:
Drawing and using a firearm when someone is right on top of you is a risky endeavor. There is no guarantee you can maintain control of the firearm during the draw if you canāt create a little bit of space and time to do it somewhat cleanly.
In this case it was even riskier because there were two other people who appeared to be friends of the guy with the pistol who were also engaged with the attacker plus at least one more person nearby and cars going by on the street. If the barrel got pushed off target while the trigger was being pulled bad things could have happened.
I suspect this would be an expensive and not risk free court case even if it wasnāt in an anti self defense State like MA. The prosecutor is going to have a not completely unreasonable argument that the guy who pulled the trigger had the disparity of force both because he had a firearm and two friends attempting to pin the lone guy down with their hands and feet.
In the shooters defense I will say that all of the various self defense training I have had says that the last place you ever want to be in a self defense situation is on the ground. If you find yourself there you need to do what you have to in order to get up ASAP or risk being severely injured. Though the ideal is to not let yourself get taken to the ground in the first place.
Pulling out my pepper spray before the guy made it across the street is an option I would have considered using in this case. Though I also usually avoid arguing over politics with strangers in public places.
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Iām not sure you can be sure of that. The attacker could have smashed his head into the concrete and that could easily cause death. Remember the guy who was killed in Cail with a megaphone?
Not saying you are wrong but you werenāt there either.
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I am Israeli. I canāt see shooting someone because they are anti- Israel. I can see shooting someone because they are trying to cause you great bodily harm or kill an innocent person. The attacker was emotional. He was clearly not a murderer and with the three of them rolling on the concrete I donāt see how that could be probable. Sure anything could have happened but the threat was not imminent at the time the gun was fired. That in my mind makes the person with the gun a thread. Any one of them could have gotten shot. If one thinks about it rationally and not emotionally I think one will come to the same conclusion. This forum is about being responsibly armed. We are all untitled to our opinions. I make mine rationally.
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Where did you buy your crystal ball? I want one.
I see your āemotionalā and will raise you a āovercome with angerā.
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Thanks for a little more background on who you are. Cultural and language differences can make the internet an interesting place at times.
This has nothing to do with his anti Israel position, simply his physical assault.
I know how I fight in a true fight (not sparing with friends)
I wouldāve shot him 4-5 times, and if the gun jammed (resulting in the single shot)ā¦ I wouldāve pistol whipped him until I could gain my feet and be back in control of my immediate situation.
Thatās not emotional, thatās training.
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Iām trying to figure out what constitutional right he violated and how.
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If you go to an event where an unhinged male or female is likely to assault you - it is wise to take OC spray with you.
Once he was thrown on the ground and pummelled and choked, a blade would be as effective, and even more than a pistol. The charges would likely be even more severe though.
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I guess you could say the threat wasnāt imminent since it was already happening, I repeat, I guess. Since the threat was there already, took him down to the concrete, was on top of the victim, and had his arm on his neck, was the victim supposed to ask how many were helping him. He couldnāt look around to see. Anyone could be shot during any encounter, but the victim had the gun around the belly area. If he had the correct ammo, it wouldnāt have gone through the attacker, but I donāt remember the article saying. If one, the attacker, thought about it rationally and not emotionally the gun would have never been fired. So, I see it as the attackerās fault. This forum is about being responsibly armed and self-defense. There is nothing showing that the victim was irresponsibly armed, and I also believe he performed his self-defense in an appropriate manner. Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but rationality is in the eye of the beholder.
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Your welcome. I think we have to train when not to shoot as much as when to shoot. I wonder if the shooter regrets pulling his gun and shooting.
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I call your anger(emotion)and raise you a rational thought.
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