You hit the nail on the head. It’s not just the mileage though, it’s the hours too. If they aren’t driving they are idling and time idling is way harder on the engine and systems then even all the miles.
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I second @Dawn here. Even more, I’d like to see more money towards LEO training, leaving current amount of their armory and vehicles.
Perhaps Segway is too much, bicycle, in my opinion works better, but all other vehicles are needed.
I’m writing these above as a person who lives in peaceful city in Chicago’s deep suburbs. Peaceful because we support our County Law Enforcement Agencies giving them a big part of our taxes (second after schools).
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100% if you look at any state committed to defunding the police, their crime rate is already rising fast. Nothing but good would come out of giving LEOs more quality training.
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Do an internet search for NFAC and see what you think … I am sure there are others, but think about your Police force going up against an organization with former military experience and plenty of small arms available.
Edit: I pray I am overestimating what is going on in America today.
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Can you share with the classroom?
Now unless you’re speaking about the cartels. They have full auto weapons but I’d love to see the gangs weapons. Cause from personal experience, I know they all have crap weapons that aren’t very well taken care of.
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Cool, so it doesnt hurt that much when when a gangbanger shoots you with one.
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If they even hit you. Remember, they aren’t training and putting time in with their weapon systems. As much as we like to glorify what they do.
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When preparing for self defense, you want to start the fight while having an advantage. Its the same with police. The goal of the equipment is to allow police to take on gangs with crap weapons without anyone dying. If the gear let’s the cops get the job and still go home at the end of the day, I’m all for it.
There was a big shootout, I want to say it was the Miami shootout. The police where outgunned by just rifles. Everyone acts like pistols are a death sentence because of movies and TV, but they are limited compared to other guns. There are cases where cops hit the target over 20 times and the perp still keeps going.
Body cameras are also not cheap. I do think good quality training is a better investment than new equipment, but that doesn’t mean they should scrap tactical equipment.
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Not me. But I am a defensive fighter. I want to see what you’re coming with. I want to sum up what you know and can tell a lot about you from the first one or two punches/kicks you through. There is a lot of value in being a counter-puncher.
I’m not going to respond to the cops comment as I don’t share anywhere near the same level of respect and opinion of them you do.
Not sure what the rest of your comments have to do with martial arts training and weapon systems so I’ll respond officially by saying; “O.K.”
I don’t meant to be disrespectful, but That’s great until 4 people with rifles kick the door down. I want absolute advantage on my turf. I already lack the advantage of knowing when. I’m not taking a handicap in a potential fight for my life and my family.
Good Cops die all the time. We need to protect them period. Doesn’t matter whether you like them or not. I’ve heard people hate on the cops… then turn around and call the cops for help.
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Nah brother, we’re not being disrespectful here. We’re two gun nuts (I will never say that outside of here lol) discussing life and philosophy from two different view points.
Breonna Taylor and Kenneth Walker had four people with rifles kick down their door. Him with having absolute advantage on his turf, fired shots at the armed intruders. Breonna was murdered in her sleep. She didn’t die right away after she was shot. Her murderers didn’t provide any life saving measures. They watched her die.
How many good cops arrested bad cops on the spot? Using Floyd as an example, he was assassinated by one cop. Three other cops stood by. Why wasn’t he forced off the man he was killing? And arrested? Why did he go four days free while they bickered over what to charge him with? Good cops arrest bad cops at the spot of the wrong doing. Until that happens, I don’t agree with you when you say there are good cops. There may be good intentioned cops, but as long as they let their politics stop them from doing the right thing, meh.
I have a gun so that I don’t need to call the cops.
And I absolutely hate Colion Noir. He’s absolute trash to someone like me.
100% agree, and I don’t say it anywhere else myself 
I am not as familiar with the other case but Taylor’s case is disturbing. I have done a little research and I’ve read different things. I’ve read silent warrants should only be executed by SWAT (SWAT has messed up too though). This is definitely a conversation for concern for gun owners.
With Floyd’s, I agree it’s disturbing that the other three cops did not say anything, they should have, BUT I believe 2 of those cops were rookie cops. That’s not an excuse, but Being a newbie puts you in a weird spot.
I think with the issue of defunding the police, we should look and see if that works. It’s been done in other states and it always leads to an increased crime rate at least for a period of time. NY has promised to cut 1B$ meanwhile, they’re crime rate is much higher than this time last year. In Seattle, CHAZ got rid of cops, and then they decided to make their own cops and they were more abusive, and the actual cops where not able to investigate.
I think a cops primary job is to write a report. They play a key role in the criminal justice system. I think their job is often misunderstood, and I respect their job because they are constantly answering calls into the unknown. That’s why I think they should be trained more. My opinion is %20 of their job should be senator training- deescalation, proper response. I think this will lead to less police shootings, more civilians living, and more police lives saved. I would rather reallocate police funding into training. Putting the money somewhere else, does not guarantee a good result, and it would take years for the desired effect to happen.
I actually agree with martial arts training. I particularly like Jui Jitsui. I think ju jitsui can be extremely useful to a police officer in restraining someone who does not cooperate or who is on out of control on drugs. However, this would involve choke holds. I don’t have a problem with chokeholds from someone who is constantly training. Police should be constantly training. I watched an interview on Joe Rogan with Jocko Willink on this. Jocko (former navy seal explained that cops get 2-4 hours of combat training a year, when %20 of their job should be high intensity situation training).
I really like Colion. I also like Clint Smith. He has a similar opinions.
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Until a terror mob with guns shows up at your door or surrounds your car.
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@JayK… I might be wrong… but are you truly 2ndA supporter and responsible gun owner?
Not all of them have crap tools. Perhaps you met poor gangsta…
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Hopefully it will work for your whole life. But one day you may find you need their help… and they will help you, no matter what.
That’s the difference between responsibility and incongruity.
Because he has different opinions? We don’t agree with everything here, but it doesn’t mean that other gun owner is “a trash”
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Absolutely, the one scary SWAT incident I can remember is when the program teacher was with his autistic student. The teacher laid down on the ground, arms in the air and the swap sniper shot him. When they asked the sniper why he shot him, the sniper said “I don’t know?”
For the rookie cops, nah I don’t give them a break. They signed up to protect those who can’t protect themselves. If they have two hours on the job or two decades their mission and commitment doesn’t change. They knew in their gut what was happening wasn’t right. They ignored it and let the assassination happen.
Defunding police isn’t taking away them or their jobs, it’s focusing an evaluation on the added benefits of being a cop. Our teachers have been de-funded for the past 40 years and there are still teachers.
IMHO, the problem with policing in today’s society (In the US) is we’ve moved from the ideology that a cop must live in the community they police. They only need the six months POST schooling to become cops. And they aren’t made to pay for the crimes they commit. Not one to offer problems with no solutions, this is what I think the first step to solving this issue is;
To be a police officer you must have a 4 year law degree. If you’re going to enforce the law, you should know it outside of a few statues and penal codes. If police have an understanding of law, it would better help them on the scene.
To be a police officer, you must at least be a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu blue belt. That’s 2 to four years of training. Majority of why cops today kill people is because they don’t know how to fight/handle themselves in physical altercations. If they had the confidence of being able to handle themselves physically, their need for lethal would drop considerably.
Because cops are no longer required to live in the community they police, they have no ownership for their actions. Back in the 80’s, to be a cop you had to live in the community you worked. Google Tommy Norman or ig/fb tnorman23. His chief refuses to allow his officers to live in a different area than they police in. Tommy and his team are VERY well respected and loved because of it. TNorman gets my respect any and every day of the week. He is what police should be. He tells it first hand that when he does arrest someone for being a jack head, when he sees their mom in church and their mom goes off on him, because he lives in the community he tells the mom “Come on now, Mrs. X, you know so-and-so did this or that” the moms back off cause he’s right. Instead, a Minneapolis cop murders a man in Minneapolis and drives home to the suburbs of St. Paul with no accountability.
Assuming I don’t have enough gear to take on a terror mob. Common sense teaches us that gun shot sounds alone makes people disperse. Much less a few well positioned shots. If I’m my car, it’s my hopes my car has a reverse gear and I’m getting the hell outta there. Situational awareness is key not only outdoors, but in our homes and in our cars.
This is wishful thinking I am afraid. It rarely works. What does work, is overwhelming police presence against the mob. What works is LE covertly surveilling and infiltrating the terror mob leadership and making arrests before they strike. What works is anti-gang plainclothes unit. A private citizen cannot do any of this.
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It’d be dumb for me to be paying USCCA all this money if I weren’t. I mean don’t take this the wrong way, but I’d be a fool to pay good money to hang out with a bunch of people I don’t know, to discuss guns if I didn’t own any. That being said, I guess USCCA does support those who carries knives. I support 2A but I don’t blindly support it. Blind support of anything makes one a fool.
No all of anything is one thing. Meaning not all of them have crap guns. But not all of them field strip and maintain their weapons cause, well, if you go to a gun store or even walmart to buy gun oil and what not, you’ve just put yourself on cameras buying this stuff. Most gang members don’t know how to maintain their weapons. Some do for sure, but the majority? Not so much.
It will work. I clean and maintain mine. It’s a tool. I’ve only needed them twice in my 47 years, and both times they weren’t there for me. First time I needed to file a report due to my auto insurance. They never showed up. Last and only time was I needed to get finger printing done and they’ve all been shut down since March. The SCOTUS has ruled it is not their obligation to protect us. They are second responders. They are there after the fact. Make no mistakes.
Yes, because he has differing opinions. Here on this forum isn’t the place or time for me to get into it, but rest assured I am not a fan for very valid reasons.
But does it? If you look at any of the protests as of late, the heavy police presence didn’t do anything to disband. They sat back and watched it.
Do you have any stats to show that anti gang plainclothes units have been successful?
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OK then… 
just to remind you:
What do you hope to learn from others in the USCCA Community? Any and everything. One only stops learning and growing when they are dead. I may not agree, but I’ll always respect the opinion.
These were your own words you typed in few day ago.
Respect somebody’s opinion does’t work well if you call him “a trash”.
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