USCCA, Tom Givens, the USCCA network attorney who posts here, and Mas Ayoob…their education do more harm than good?
WOW
We have some major accusations up in here
They post a lot of good information. They help a lot of people. If we ask them if the carry a gun to save lives or because it is a deadly weapon, what do you think they would say?
They say:
A firearm is a deadly weapon
If you killed somebody, it’s fair to admit that you killed somebody.
If you aren’t even willing to acknowledge that it is a deadly weapon, and you aren’t able to acknowledge or admit that using that deadly weapon carries a very real risk of death, you should not be carrying it.
Are you a USCCA member? Have you read any of the magazine articles, watched the Protector Academy, or read any of the books?
I recommend starting here, it will really help you understand what it means to carry a gun. If you call to order they can get you 20% off
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How about massad ayoob in the book literally called deadly force
“a gun, obviously, is a deadly weapon”
You, and all who are considering carrying a deadly weapon, really do need to acknowledge the responsibilities of carrying a deadly weapon
Let’s see what not only the laws say (which is that a firearm is a deadly weapon) but let’s see what some industry experts say
Tom Givens says the pistol you carry is a deadly weapon
Concealed Carry Class, page 19 shown
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They say
A firearm is a deadly weapon
Full post, in the context of concealed carry, a firearm is a deadly weapon. So says USCCA Attorney Network attorney
It’s unanimous, as it should be.
A firearm is a deadly weapon.
You may as well be arguing that water is not wet because wouldn’t it be groovy if it wasn’t?
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If you killed somebody by stopping a threat in the process of murdering someone would you say you killed someone or you save someone’s life?
I was attacked, feared for my life, and acted in self defense.
If you killed somebody to save a life, would your argument for why that was justified be to deny having done it at all?
If you cannot acknowledge that using a firearm on a person is deadly force and may result in death, you are not ready to carry a gun
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Disagreeing with someone is not an insult. This is yet another liberal ploy to obfuscate the argument.
Telling someone they are a liberal gun grabber using word definitions to further infringe on people’s rights is an insult around here, is it not?
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I am sorry you had to go through that. That must have been awful. For sure a life changing event. We are here if you want to talk about it. You can PM me if you want.
If they die while I was trying to stop the threat, I would say it is God‘s will.
Acknowledging that I am carrying a gun for the only purpose of savings lives means I am ready to carry a gun. Nobody wants to kill it is just a fact of life. I will defend life for the rest of my life, and I do it by stopping the threat. I hope I never have to go through what you went through.
I have not called anyone a liberal.
There is a large difference between telling a lady that her makeup makes her look like a clown or telling her she is a clown.
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I strongly recommend consulting with your attorney before saying this
/not an attorney, not legal advice
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G-d forbid I am ever in that situation. If I am I will.
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I don’t think there is anything wrong with calling somebody a liberal. I am very liberal when it comes to putting ketchup on my french fries or hot sauce on my eggs.
Thanks.
Helps us think about matters from a legal view. I can envision the authorities and courts using terms such as deadly, weapon or combination thereof. Even if we are responsible in self defense.
I imagine I’d turn to my attorney for advice, and try not to let prosecutors make me feel worse about having to protecting life/limb. I can only imagine how bad it would feel to be accused, if we were only defending life. Guess it takes unimaginary strength.
On the same token, we can be victims, whereby we ask prosecutors to emphasize that the perpetrator used a deadly weapon.
If we ever gonna die like that though, may we die on our feet, fighting.
Strength and smartness be with you friends. Live on. I once heard an overlander camper say that when he was asked “Aren’t you afraid to be out here?”; He replied, “No, because I tell myself, I’m the toughest one out here”.
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Your welcome.
From what I read it is only a deadly weapon if it is intended to be used as a deadly weapon. I know what it is like to kill and I would never intend to do it. It is just a fact of life that nobody wants to talk about. G-d gives us the strength to deal with it. I don’t know anything about death. I have to imagine something before I can do it. I can’t imagine dying. G-d bless and good luck to you. I am not afraid because I know I am resilient enough to deal with anything out there.
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So then we are all in agreement. A firearm is not a deadly weapon, it is a life saving weapon.¿? It only becomes a deadly weapon when used by someone irresponsible
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You still haven’t read the multiple different sources I provided? Not the law firms, not the USCCA attorney, not the USCCA itself, not Mas Ayoob, none of them?
I can post them again if you missed them
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Can’t fix intentional ignorance.
Sometimes, people just want to be wrong.
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So then we are all in agreement. A firearm is not a deadly weapon, it is a life saving weapon.¿? It only becomes a deadly weapon when used by someone irresponsible
I am going to have to disagree, when one operates a firearm correctly as it’s designed, it’s purpose is not to save anything, it’s to destroy. That is why you never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
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