How many ND’s did you see? I was under the impression this is uncommon…
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Yup, I second that. Pre-mature trigger fingering for sure.
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These are my thoughts as well. Aiwb still wins.
I will say, when training, I don’t draw from aiwb at the range loaded. I know that may be controversial to some, but I practice draw at home with dry fire and at the range I may get reps in dry fire but I usually don’t draw aiwb with one in the chamber while shooting at the range.
I’m not John wick. I’m just a regular guy with a carry permit. This practice of mine eliminates the potential for an accident like this one while also reaping the benefits of aiwb and keeping one in the chamber.
Like I stated, this may not be seen as best training, but I have the skills necessary to use my handgun to protect me and my family. Like you said, people can still flag the crap out of themselves drawing from strong side.
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I was only relating what he said, I did not make any judgment on what I saw. I did not feel the need to chime in as he is beating himself enough and has to live with it, regardless of how it happened. We all seem to agree that it is unlikely the firearm discharged on the draw without finger involvement.
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when I carried 3:00 my gun would click out if it’s holster when I sat in the car. That scared the crap out of me.
There are safety arguments in favor of AIWB. With AIWB you can actually look into the holster and make sure it’s clear before reholstering. It’s just easier to see any potential issues. I find drawing the firearm less hazardous. It’s very easy to clear garment at aiwb imo.
I don’t like safeties on my carry guns anymore. If I have to protect myself or my family, I want a simple process. Draw/ fire. I’ve made the argument before that some guns with safeties have hair triggers. You better be sure that safety gets put back on before reholstering.
It’s América though. nothing wrong with 3 ocklock and safeties. Clearly shouldn’t carry aiwb if you hate it. But there are advantages to aiwb. I can see my set up when I’m out so I know I’m concealed. I like Glocks, and I trust them. Like others have stated my holster and gun are a unit. My carry gun gets locked up holstered and put on holstered. I limit administrative handling to prevent mistakes. With a quality holster and wedge, I find aiwb more comfortable physically and mentally than 3 ocklock or 5 ocklock.
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Absolutely, it is all about training. I started with 9 o’clock learning to clear my garment, AIWB you definitely can see into the holster before reholstering vs hip carry.
I can carry my C24 because I have trained to thumb the safety off once the muzzle has cleared my holster but choose not to since I do NOT want to see that pistol disappearing in a police evidence room.
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I hear you. My Sig P365 has the thumb safety (always on, round in the chamber) anything less than that ain’t going down my front pants (AIWB) 
and as for my Sig P320 Full Size (NO THUMB SAFETY) well, that will only be OWB carry when I’m out hiking in the mountains.
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You’re definitely right. Definitely looks like a trigger finger/ draw mistake. Gun should not be pointed twards yourself on the draw (obviously) doesn’t matter the position.
It’s also clearly not a random discharge from a holstered firearm like the alleged 320s.
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God bless your new chapter in your life! He has a plan for your life ! Thank you for many years of training! Reach out to wise counsel for your mental wellness! God is good snd i hear his love in your video! Hold your family close! WE NEVER know ! I will pray for you daily friend! I also am a USCCA member! We are vet brothers also!
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I’ve always trained with my 1911’s is when I transition after the draw, from vertical to horizontal, the safety goes off, booger finger off the trigger. Alot easier to manipulate the booger finger than the safety when you got your sights up.
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We can always say that accidents happen. We learn from them and move on. I can understand why you feel that way, a shamed but, don’t. I carry AIWB all the time. I know there’s always that possibility. There’s always the possibility of getting hurt, hit by a car, slipping down the stairs. But we survive and move on. God bless you Scoutbob for surviving. God bless you for sharing your story. Best wishes and praying that you recovery to the point that you will keep doing what you have been doing and enjoy yourself while doing.
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This is unrelated to the topic, but in my case it relates to this whole forum. Recently, when I try to see any video link here, it just turns black. I’m sure it’s a setting or something that I can’t figure out. Any ideas? Thanks!
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Excellent conversation. Thanks everyone.
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1st mistake = AIWB. Nope, Never. Not just No, but HELL NO. And VIolates a primary Rule Muzzle Discipline Safety Rule.
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how?.. where?.. when?..
just because it happened? Million people probably carry AIWB… 
So far I haven’t heard about even 100 NDs… which would be 0.01% 
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There is still flagging in 3 o’clock position. Even owb retention holsters can flag body parts or other people. A properly holstered firearm that is properly functioning is inert.
AIWB works so much better for me than 3 o’clock. I won’t push aiwb on anyone, but I’ve determined it’s the most practical and comfortable way for me to carry.
Firearms are dangerous. Have to be responsible and safe regardless of carry position. Won’t judge anyone for not wanting one near the family jewels but it’s really more phycological. Negligent or accidental discharges are not acceptable in any carry position.
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Well….
Ai overview:
About 30% to 32% of U.S. adults personally own a gun, representing roughly 80 to 107 million people
Unintentional or negligent firearm accidents in America result in approximately 400 to 500 deaths and over 1,400 total reported unintentional shooting incidents each year
I do believe those numbers add an extra zero or two after the decimal point….
Regardless, NDs do happen, and if I happen to be part of that 0.01%…. I’d rather that muzzle NOT be pointed at my junk!
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I get the point, but you’d have to refine those numbers too.
just hand gun, then just conceal handgun, then Just people who legally carry. I also highly doubt properly holstered firearms are going off in any position.
BUT Nds do happen due happen to complacency, sloppiness, lack of training or malfunctioning firearms. BUT how many of these NDs occur with a properly holstered firearm?
Get why people don’t do AIWB carry but I don’t want an ND in any carry position. Definitely not trying to convert anyone either.
when I moved to aiwb it was a process and I definitely researched and got the view points of many different instructors. I took it serious because it is in a serious area. I’m also not going to the range half hazard drawing from that position over and over again. Slow methodical dry fire training with a focus on proper presentation. Proper draw stroke from aiwb should not flag your body. When drawing from a seated position, hips should be flexed up to eliminate flagging. Standing position gun comes straight up. Gun should not point at the body.
For conceal carry purposes, aiwb is good to me. If I was running competitions (which I don’t) I’d stick with an owb paddle style holster.
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