AIWB Accidental Discharge YouTube

AIWB Food for thought…

YouTube vid I ran into. Happened on draw. Figure it is most likely an accidental finger or shirt but still a very disturbing story.

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Did holster not cover trigger?

Or, just a lazy booger finger?

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Do not point your weapon at something you do not want to destroy.

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If you watched the video, he showed the hole in the holster, it was a conventional IWB holster that did cover the trigger. He stated it occurred during a training session and the ND was about a 1/2 second or less after the beep. He does not know if it was his finger, the holster, catching on his shirt, etc., but it happened. He is a long-term firearm owner and former military, etc. - not a newbie.

To me, the injury he sustained, obviously, is due to carry method, but even those that carry in other positions have sustained severe injuries, even death - he got lucky. I take this as a reminder of how we need to be very safe and aware in our use of firearms. They are not only potentially dangerous to those that wish to do us harm, but to us when an ND occurs.

He said he will be posting further videos exploring how he believed this happened. Not likely he/we will ever know exactly how it occurred. This can only be used to instill further precaution when we practice. We do not want to be dead or called, as he said his new nickname is, “half-sack”.

I know I am dating myself here, and I rarely watched the show, but this came to mind, as the Captain on Hill Street Blues said, “Be careful out there.”

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The carry method with the highest mortality rate. During trauma residency appendix (or felon’s) carry accounted for the majority of mortalities due to negligent discharge involving only the user, typically by exsanguination via rupture of the common femoral, femoral profunda, and common iliac. Survivors often received femoral / pelvis fractures and other disabling injuries. When asked, most victims stated they either shot themselves grabbing their firearm in a hurry or when “holstering”. This was decades before everyone thought the safety issue was solved by the miracle of Kydex.

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Agreed. I consider myself a newbie, always looking to learn something new.

My newbie move when I get home and move my EDC from IWB holster to pocket holster, I put safety on first.

If it’s the HK, it stays in IWB holster.

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When I transition to Home I take the holster off my belt, never the pistol out of the holster.

My Home pistol is already in place in a holster.

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This is my SOP. When I leave in the morning, IWB holster with firearm goes from my bedside safe to my belt. when I return home, off my belt and into my bedside safe. The firearm never gets unholstered during the process and there is always OIC.

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Valid points. I prefer the extra step for convenience or comfort when I move around the house.

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Being in California don’t you need to put the unloaded pistol in a safe and the ammunition in another? :wink:

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Only when one or both eyes are closed.

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I watched that video 2 days ago and still cannot find explanation that it might be accidental discharge.
Unless that Glock was modified.

Whatever you do to Glock it won’t go off by itself without trigger being pulled with at least 5 lb of force.
Because the guy is not a newbie, he knew what he was doing, so if the pistol wasn’t modified, the fault lies with him.

Regarding carrying position - any carry IWB position comes with a risk.

Whoever shoots his testicles off from AIWB holster, doesn’t know how to properly use this carry method. Simple habit of pushing hips forward during holster manipulation forces the muzzle to point away from you body’s parts. Using proper wedge also redirects the muzzle.

I’ve personally seen dozen students carrying IWB 4 - 5 o’clock with so dangerous manipulation that made me furious. There is no way you can see how you holster your handgun and mostly people just guess holster position and point the muzzle into their pelvis. :grimacing:

So, whatever position you carry… just know what you are doing. I know, shooting in self defense must be fast… but even fast movements can be done safely if you train it that way.

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I just won’t consider AIWB carry, period. I tried different holsters, and different, unloaded guns, over and over to see if that was for me and no way. I’m constantly pointing my gun at something I definitely don’t want to destroy. I can’t understand why guys do it. Maybe I’m overboard in safety, but I don’t feel comfortable carrying a semi auto without a manual safety as well. I carry with one in the chamber, of course, but there’s a nice little extra margin of security having that thumb safety. 3:00 carry, thumb safety on, good holster, and there’s no way I’m maiming or killing myself with my own gun.

Mostly, still, I carry a revolver, and those are nice because there’s no way I’m accidentally pulling that trigger through a long 11lb pull and shooting myself during draw or reholstering.

I feel sorry for the guy. It’s a terrible lesson, but maybe his pain will help someone else learn and be safer.

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This!:backhand_index_pointing_up::backhand_index_pointing_up::backhand_index_pointing_up::backhand_index_pointing_up:

I do understand why it’s done, it is extremely fast compared to 3:00 (where I carry as well). And it is less prone to printing unless you’re wearing cut off shirts! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Seriously, the thought of shooting myself in the hip/outer thigh/butt scares me enough, having that barrel pointed either directly at my junk, or rolled under my belly and pressed into my bladder and pointed basically at my tailbone,…. That was more than just uncomfortable physically…. Think about that wound path.

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It looks like to me that the bullet entered the holster from outside the holster. I don’t understand the part about the holster because you are pulling the gun out which would put forward pressure on the trigger at the worst. I can see the shirt possibility, but your hand would have to be pretty contorted to make that happen, but it seems that the best place for a gun to catch on clothing during the draw is the dove tail or possible hammer, which glock doesn’t have. It seems like that would pull the barrel more toward the target with nothing pulling on the trigger. Then, there is the notorious finger. I’m putting my money on the finger. It would be easy to tell. Are there two holes in his pants?

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I’m at work where I’m pretty much behind a desk 90% of the time. Safety’s on. My added routine to get ready to move is, “tap, safety off.”

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Yep, as the pistol is clearing the holster and I’m rotating forward, my thumb naturally sweeps down the side of the gun and flicks safety off. It’s no slower than having no safety, as it’s just a natural part of the draw motion. To me, the added protection from an ND or AD is worth the practice. That’s just me, though, and I know lots of us are totally comfortable with no manual safety, and that’s cool too if it works for you.

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Good point on the wound path. They say a pelvic shot to a bad guy is one of the fastest ways to stop a threat. Do you really want to give yourself one? Makes about as much sense as carrying under your hat :zany_face:

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I would think about trading in FN Reflex XL if they came out with an external safety, but I’m not holding my breath. I am beyond vigilant holstering IWB @3 o’clock. I always pull my shirt WAY CLEAR and visually guide it if I do holster it with the holster already on me. However, I prefer to clip the holster into my pants with the pistol already in it.

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