The short answer is clearly, all of them.
That is why the handgunlaw.us and USCCA pages liked above are so important for travelers.
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I would ask a lawyer or at least a MD resident more familiar with their laws. Back when I lived in the New England I remember looking into the transportation laws of other States along the coast in case I chose to travel with my firearm. I don’t remember the specifics but do remember crossing of MD from the list of Stares I could safely travel through based on what I read. I suspect their laws have not gotten less restrictive since then.
I only need to observe the gun laws of the state. I am in at the time, correct.
At what point did I tell him he didn’t have to ?
How does gun registration in Maryland affect an out of stater entering Maryland?
And you’re gonna send me up to the reciprocity map?
No one said that those laws don’t apply.
Therefore, I do not need to tell them that I moved.
Yeah, I wouldn’t trust with their state police or whatever their state puts online either.
a resident would definitely know more……
And I forgot unless you’re a resident there you don’t know anything, just go away…
He is no longer a citizen of Maryland. He no longer has to abide by their gun registration, regardless of what other state he lives in.
Well the original poster can trust your legal expertise. Or he can take my advice and ask a lawyer. The problem, as I see it, isn’t Maryland law. Unless he goes back to MD with the firearm. The problem is did he technically do a cross State transfer of ownership of firearm that he did not legally own when he left MD? I am pretty sure Federal law says you cannot import a firearm you do not already own from another state unless you do it through an FFL.
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I wouldn’t worry about the gun registration.is he is going to maintain his permit in Maryland?
So he can carry me when he goes there, correct?
Concealed carry is legal in Maryland only for Maryland Wear/Carry Handgun Permit (WCHP) holders. Open carry is prohibited as of October 1, 2023. In order to obtain a WCHP, applicants must be at least 21 years old (or 18 years old for employment purposes only).
No, the state of West Virginia sounds like they could really give a rats a$S about any of the other states or…
There is no permit, background check, waiting period or firearms registration required when buying a handgun from a private individual in West Virginia.
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Then I by your admission no one should trust or go buy anything you say.
Can he even keep his MD resident permit when he legally becomes a resident to another State? I have no idea if MD allows people to convert resident permits to none resident permits?
It would be foolish to take legal advice from some random person on the internet. I am simply voicing my opinion of some of the things that would concern me in this situation based on the laws I am personally familiar with.
I would also advise having a lawyer when talking to police about anything but especially about a gun. Some, notice I said some not all, police are crazy especially when it comes to guns. Look up a lawyer from the USCCA list for your state and go from there.
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Forgot to focus on this aspect in my previous posts.
Once again in my inexpert opinion:
A bill of sale dated before you moved from MD could be used as evidence that under MD law you may have illegally transferred the firearm without doing whatever FFL and registration paperwork is required there while you were still a resident.
A bill of sale dated after you were legally considered a WV resident might prove that you illegally (per federal law) transferred a firearm across state lines.
Again. I would consult a lawyer if you have any question that this firearm was not or will not be legally transferred. Especially since this sounds like a firearm you are regularly carrying and might need to use in a self defense situation some day. Also a concern if you choose to take it back across State lines to MD and come into contact with LEOs for any reason.
Aside from those questions involving that one specific firearm you are likely good to go as a firearm owner in a State that will infringe on your right to self defense significantly less than MD!
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I’ve always been amused by the “but you’re not a lawyer” crowd when their beliefs have been disproven.
Law,
If you can read and read the definitions, so you know what the words mean that they’re using in the law . Then read the law.
Then understanding the law is easy to do and you don’t need to be a lawyer to understand them .
Will Maryland, even let him keep his permit now that he does not reside in the state?
No, I didn’t look it up , you can.
Are you recommending he commit fraud by using a fictitious bill of sale?.
Why doesn’t he just stop and think hey, I didn’t take official ownership of this weapon until I was in West Virginia. I was merely safekeeping it for a family member until then.?
Regardless, he got away with it. There’s no need to go back to Maryland and do anything , you no longer live there…
you are now under West Virginia law.
The state you presently live in, doesn’t care about The laws in Maryland .
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I agree, but the weird situation for us is we both moved together to West Virginia BEFORE he gifted me the handgun. Therefore I guess it is technically not a transfer over state lines, right? At that point I would assume it is simply an instate gun transfer as a gift.
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Like I said in the previous reply, the bill of sale is dated after our move to WV, but the handgun was still in his possession and ownership when we moved. If you ask me, that is just him taking his own property to his new state. The gift/transfer
happened after the fact and we were both legal residents.
Thanks for all your valuable insight. I agree a lawyer is the best option for this because it’s such a grey area and there is so much at stake.
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I don’t think anything that he said was insulting or had bad intent for anybody in the thread, I’m not sure why you seem upset. I was looking for unofficial opinions before consulting a lawyer and he provided helpful suggestions. I also don’t see where he recommended that I create a false bill of sale; he was just comparing the possibilities of the date was before or after the move.
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I can’t speak directly to WV law. But most States allow person to person transfers of firearms as long as there is no reason to believe the person receiving the firearm is a prohibited person. So if you were both legal residents of WV when the transfer took place then the transfer was likely perfectly legal. As far as I know, in AZ, you don’t even legally need a bill of sale. Though it is a good idea for both parties to have personal records of the transfer in case a question of ownership comes up in the future.
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Are you a lawyer?
No, so why are you giving legal advice?
Too bad he doesn’t live in Arizona.
Are you a lawyer in Arizona? how do you know what he needs?
This is the first time in my 4 years on the forum that I have ever been tempted to use the ignore button.
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I think this is why that is.
Research by child development theorist Linda Kreger Silverman suggests that less than 30% of the population strongly uses visual/spatial thinking, another 45% uses both visual/spatial thinking and thinking in the form of words, and 25% thinks exclusively in words .
Not sure exactly how that applies to the current discussion but it is interesting information. Never really thought about it before but seems that I use both visual/spatial and words when I am thinking.
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I think it’s why we don’t always see eye to eye. I try to fit into the category the person I am conversing with is in. Some people just want you to see it their way. I should say sometimes people just want you to see it their way.
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