My grandfather is looking to move into a property that does not allow firearms. Due to this, we are exploring how these firearms can be transferred to my father and me. He is direct blood family, and from what I read and find so far, as long as the transfer is a “bona fide gift”, we are good to go, and no FFL or shipping, or background checks are needed. Not that the background check or FFL would be an issue for my father or me, but rather the cost associated would be the issue/trouble.
My grandfather is a Puyallup, Washington resident, and a legal and rightful owner of the firearms.
My father and I are Las Vegas, Nevada residents, and we are both legal and rightful to own firearms.
We are planning on driving up to Washington to assist with other affairs and needs for my grandfather, but handling the firearms is one of those affairs. Would there be any troubles if we went through a “bona fide gift” transfer and traveled with the firearms in cases and no ammunition in our vehicle?
If this is the case, what document do we need to print out and fill out with my grandfather while up there?
Any insight and legal assistance is appreciated. We just want to be sure we do this correctly and don’t do anything illegal.
In general if the transfer is happening in Washington and you follow Washington State laws there should be no problem with you transporting the firearms back to NV.
That being said, transferring handguns to an out of state resident, family or not is NO-GO at a Federal level, so I don’t think the Washington State exception to direct family members applies to you since I don’t believe you are allowed to accept the handgun(s) in Washington being an out of state resident, and even if you have a NV CCW in NV it is not recognized by Washington State. Handguns might need to be shipped to an FFL in NV that will then transfer them to you once they get to your state of residency.
The other options are:
1-Washington does offer non-resident Conceald Carry licenses which would allow you to legally posses the handguns in Washington State. SOOOOOO you are legal to have it there and you are legal to have it in Nevada too you are now legal to transport it from Washington to Nevada.
2- Go to Washington State and bring Grandpa back with the guns for a nice stay in Las Vegas, he can gift you the guns in NV, and then you fly him back home which is relatively cheap from LV.
The way things are going in Washington state, I would say, “get the guns out of there ASAP!” Anything even remotely considered “exotic” will probably be up for confiscation by the state eventually.
True, but that does not convey ownership. The federal law is the issue. A non-resident cannot directly obtain ownership of handguns to him/her in his/her non-resident state nor in his/her resident state from a non-resident in his/her home state.
Non-permanent transfers of handguns, not conveying ownership, are legal between parties as long as they are following the laws of their states and both parties are legally allowed to own, regardless of what state either party resides in. Yes, the 1968 GCA is a nightmare of stupidity.
The way I understand it is that the Federal laws are meant to cover interstate commerce of firearms. Since Washington allows “gifting” the firearms to a relative that can posses them I think getting a Washington CCW could potentially avoid any issues but optimistically a grey area? BUT I’m not an attorney so there is zero real world value to my opinion.
What is interesting is that Federal law allows someone go to another state to collect inherited firearms and once the will is executed you can gather up your stuff and transport it back…
Another interesting point is that grandpa could mail all his handguns to HIMSELF in Las Vegas and then as long as no one else takes possession (opens the box) until he gets there, it’s perfectly legit to skip the FFL. I’ve done this a few times when I don’t want to travel with a gun for whatever reason. Just ship to myself to my destination with a C/O address and the gather up my box on arrival.
Hopefully we live in a more firearm law friendly state. I remember when in my state, the laws significantly changed one January 1st. I think states choose to call em assault weapons laws. But they sometimes occur as a bundle of several laws into one Act.
I think it pays to stay abreast as to proposals, voice your own wants and needs, keep an eye out for if laws are passed.
Ask a lot of Q’s.
i recall that I ended up learning on my own that I had to register a body armor. There was actually a host of items which the state referred to as accessories, one could still keep, but just had to register. How in the heck do I register?
Then there was a deadline. How in the world would I have known?
The state’s website was not easy to navigate, but I finally figured it out and got the accessory registered.
I was collecting vintage long guns.
With the new state law, I could only own a long gun if it had a serial number on it, unless it was made during a certain very old year or earlier.
Message, familiarize oneself with the laws. Advocate where you can.
in Washington State, transferring guns between family members requires no paperwork or government approval. You can give a gun to another family member and be done with it. There’s no paperwork, no paper trail, nothing – How’s that for efficiency?
