With all the protesting

Most of the looters are just destroying property so if you can drive out of there attempt to do so. If the attack you take care of business and protect yourself.

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Trying to stay clear of protesters, tune into the police frequency to keep up to date where not to go.

At home, put my 12ga pump in my brothers room, take safety off and 00-Buck. Put my holstered sub-compact on his desk (gamer) and showed him the slide safety and how to release, 12+1.

He rarely ever shoots, but he can shoot, he spend 6yrs in the navy.

Before he went to bed, he came out telling me how all they guns appeared in his room and he was wondering if the gun fairy would leave another gun under his pillow…

In the end, trying to avoid or get safely out of a situation however, fear of severe bodily injury or death…

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Let’s see…
A virus that is a combination of genetic material not naturally occurring pops up in china…
They cordone off the city internally and continue to allow international flights.
Half the world (but mostly Amaerica) get locked up for months while fear of the unknown forments.
I say the cop in the video knew exactly what he was doing, and what happens when you cut off the flow of oxygen to the brain for eight minutes (and he all but smiles at the camera…)

Quit crying over broken glass and Do the math team…

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And… yet…
Some news reports are saying the coroner’s report is saying the officer’s knee had nothing to do with the death.

Perhaps, waiting until all information is available makes more sense.

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It’s possible. Adrenaline dump and underlying health issues? Maybe. Not sure how the coroner’s report explains ā€˜time on neck’ after resistance stops.

Generally speaking I dont consider myself a conspiracy theorist and I dont own a bunker in the hills. I’m an engineer paid to assess facts and make a decisions once enough information is available to make a directionally correct assesment.

There are several world powers with institutions dedicated to social engineering and manipulation of national sentiments for one end or another.

Anyway, Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck… let’s call it a… hmmmm?

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I think this is why we have trials by a jury of our piers. Because every circumstance is unique and different, and while on one hand we have the right to protect our selves, to what ever degree is made necessary, we at the very same time do not have the right to do what the protesters are doing, which is to make excuse of events elsewhere in order to justify behavior that in fact, has no real excuse. The murderous cop was caught and charged, and his buddies are known too. The good cops remain good cops, and we could not do without them. So, if you have done something stupid and put yourself in a situation you never should have been in, and then … well, you know where this is going. Allow me to sum up my thought this way. The saying " walk softly but carry a big stick" - carrying a big stick is the part everybody likes, and, it’s important, but, so is the " walk softly" part. Plan, educate, and PRACTICE for the worst, and then do everything in your reasonable power to encourage the best to happen.

I feel like this present situation highlights why our right to bear arms and have the power of effective self defense is so important, and also, why being responsible with our reactions and our choices is no less important. Those of us who are neither bad cops, or riotous protesters, are in the middle between two extremes. I’m just thankful I live in a country where i do not, ( yet anyway ), have to cower there in the middle helplessly at the mercy of either contingent. I plan first, to walk softly, quietly, and hopefully, unnoticed. But that big stick is also there should it be required.

To my mind, the right to bear arms is not so much about having a gun but is rather about not having to cower in helpless fear of the murderous tyrant or the out of control mob. It is our right to bear arms that does more than anything else can to ensure that security, and with it comes a responsibility and a duty, and as Americans, we should keep this right against all who would seek to deprive us of it !

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They like to call that ā€œprofilingā€ so as to make it sound bad, so when did applying a dose of common sense become ā€œbadā€ ? Waiting for, and assessing facts as they come in, what a great idea! we could use a little more of that.

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I’ve never actually understood all aspects of the profiling debate. Of course it is wrong to pull over, or persecute, anyone just because of color, or hair style, or whatever. But I would call that targeting, not profiling.
On the other hand, if a crime is committed by a woman then I’m not going to pull over a bunch of men just so the innocent women dont get butt hurt over getting pulled over themselves. I have to look for the ā€˜profile’ to be efficient.

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It’s my belief that the term ā€œprofilingā€ has been co-opted for political purposes. Targeting someone because of a prejudice is what we all agree is wrong. On the other hand, characteristics that reasonably and, or, very commonly indicate potential danger ( like a snake with a rattle at the end of it’s tail ) are a reasonable, and i would argue , common sense legitimate thing to take into account. I think the politics is what has made this all so confused and dangerous.

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As the left teaches us, there is an opportunity in every crisis. There are 2 opportunities for police here. A lot of lice had come out of woodwork and registered themselves on cameras -there is an opportunity to take them off the streets on charges that assure long sentences. Secondly, police can build up good relationship with the community. I don’t mean pandering to the looter community, I mean protecting the businesses and homes of honest productive citizens. Officers and deputies should know they have strong allies in honest productive people (and none among the looters and arsonists, never will), so please don’t abandon us to face destructive mobs.

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They’ll ask you that no matter what is going on in the world. Did you do what you could to avoid the situation? Why didn’t you avoid the area? Granted, a jury may take it into greater consideration right now.

That’s part of the reason we try to avoid situations as much as possible. But when things pop up and haven’t been reported yet (think flash mob), there’s not much you can do.

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Two lawyers. One can only imagine them in court.

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I’m in Texas where it is legal to carry your rifle or shotgun in public. It is also legal to use deadly force to protect your property. I don’t know if you can protect someone else’s property, but I think you can. So the law doesn’t ā€œgo out the window.ā€ If you are standing in front of someone else’s property at their invitation while carrying your legally owned rifle or shotgun and a riot shows up, you are now legally protecting your own life. That is the law in Texas.
Your state laws may be different.

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I stay far away from the protests. My son did no Door Dash on Sunday because he wanted to remain safe just in case.

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As long as you are on it. No problems. :+1:

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With bad folks gathering in small locations and unarmed when it is illegal to carry arms, maybe the good guys could just use the Pincer Movement (tongue in cheek, of course).

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And in many states it’s illegal to fire from a vehicle. So, in a self-defense situation, does preserving your life by shooting an assailant coming at you from your car window now put you in violation of the law? I don’t think the protesters will kindly wait for me to climb out of my car to engage. Also, if you’re on the street and multiple protesters run at you without actual weapons in hand, do you assume that you are in fear of your life and are justified in shooting them?

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This has to be a trick question. Beating from multiple angry assailants, hmm… put you in a wheelchair for life? in the grave?

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Let’s back this up a few steps and go through some options.

Knowing what’s happening in the world today and the numerous news resources we have (social media updates, police scanner apps easily available on most phones, other media sources), we should have a pretty good idea about areas to avoid and when to avoid them.

That being said, flash mobs and other unannounced protests can happen. If we see anything that makes us question what might be happening down the road, it’s time to take a different route home. Our situational awareness can definitely keep us from being in a bad situation - most of the time.

If you find yourself in a spot where people are charging your car, can you drive away? And don’t forget about backing up to get out of the situation or turning toward the path of least resistance.

Your gun is not your only tool in your self-defense toolkit. Be sure to think about other ways to get out of the situation.

Check out this thread for more ideas:

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Winner winner, chicken dinner.

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