Why the Hard Right is the Biggest Threat to our 2A Rights

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I recently attained my certification as an instructor and have been very vocal in my community about the need to increase legal gun ownership rates, conceal carry holders, and overall gun education and proficiency. I speak about how single mothers need to increase their ownership and acumen. How the community needs position to better defend and protect itself from the threats that it perceives. This usually gets overwhelming support in gun forums…. until I state that I am an African American and that my community is not seeing threats from Ms-13 or Venezuelan gangs, and we are not even seeing “black on black crime” as the main threat where I live. Our main threat is racists.

I do not live in a major city, but rather a smaller city that is halfway between Chicago and Milwaukee. In fact many have heard of it… Kenosha, Wisconsin. The name now is polarizing in that it means “Rittenhouse”. For many, it is a battle cry celebration of their young hero. For people like me who live here, it is the reason we got our conceal carry licenses, and started training and telling ourselves “Never Again.”

I am engaging many people who are absolutely against guns. I am able to talk many to “come to the door” and at least hear out the conversation. I reach them by stating that “Nonviolent” and “I will defend myself” are not contrarian. They have been sold by many in the community that you must enjoy or seek violence in order to be a 2A proponent. These actors and speakers hurt the movement. It it worse when they claim to be professionals within the community.

We all have our biases. However at the professional level, those who lie to the public, or mislead through omission hurt not just the profession, but also the 2A movement. If people can’t trust you in the small things, how can they trust you in the big things?

If you tell people that only the left has ever been anti-gun, and leave out the Republicans in California passing the some of the strictest gun laws at the time in response to Black Panthers simply because you personally are uncomfortable talking about race… you don’t help the cause, but rather you hurt it.

If you talk about every single inner city shooting you hear about, but never speak about the rural shootings, or if you do talk about “them animals” for one, but then say “oh so tragic” when you read about the Dad shooting his own daughter over an argument about Trump ( Lucy Harrison's father told police that 'gun just went off' ) … you don’t build trust, but rather you make people wonder what else are you misleading them on.

To truly protect 2A rights, we need people who are not just passively “okay” with everyone practicing their rights. We need people who when they see people who look like them they say “Hell Yeah Brother…”, but when they see a picture of people that don’t look like them they say “Well….I guess… as long as they are following the law.”

I argue we need a group so dedicated to 2A that that ask the question “Why are we releasing people from prison, telling them that they have served their time and to go take responsibility for their lives.. but telling them they can’t defend themselves? If they are too dangerous to have their second amendment rights… why are we releasing them?”

A group starts up where that mentality is TRULY the core culture and mentality, then I believe the public will more readily fall inline with the necessity of the right to bear arms. It will be a hard road however because it would require directly rooting out racists, and acknowledging that the “good guy with a gun” narrative sounds ridiculous when you look at the fact that most people killed by a firearm are killed by someone they know…. either themselves (suicide) or a close friend or family member (domestic violence and disputes).

If we so called decent men don’t have the courage to say “How can we better check ourselves and each other”, then yea…. anti-gun movements will continually point out our refusal or inability and seek government to manage us.

I don’t know the solution, but I know it is not us dodging tough conversations internally, and blaming everyone else for what occurs inhouse. Too many silent about this man killing his daughter and saying “The gun just went off”…..

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Right.

Not in the real world.

Rittenhouse did not attack anyone, especially POC.

Yes, Reagan was not a Conservative. He was a Democrat, then switched parties, just like Trump, who also is not a Conservative, and also is squishy on the RKBA.

100% False. Yes, you do “make people wonder what else are you misleading them on” when you blantantly make false claims proven by your own linked story.

Check out the VCDL.org site on Lobby Day, you will see numerous pictures, including one’s of the Black Panthers and even Pink Pistols, etc. Also this site has al sorts of people here, too.

Many of us here make that same argument.

What do you mean by that and what does that entail?

You should read more topics and posts on this site. No one here is “dodging tough questions” nor blaming everyone else, just those that blame law-abiding gun owners for criminal use of firearms and passing “gun control” laws.

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YES, the gun just went off, after he pulled the trigger, with a round in the chamber and no magazine, further proving he had no real knowledge of his weapons capabilities and no real training in weapons safety. Add that into the mix with him being allegedly inebriated or under the influence and you have a recipe for disaster.

Too many people believe all they have to do is go out and purchase a weapon and all their worries will go away. That is not even close to the truth. We need to train with those weapons to become proficient. We need to study the four rules and commit them to memory and couple them to our muscle memory every time we handle our weapons.

  • 1. Treat every firearm as if it were loaded: Always assume a gun is loaded and ready to fire, even if you believe it is not.

  • 2. Keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction: Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy, and maintain control of the muzzle at all times.

  • 3. Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot: Keep your finger indexed straight along the frame and outside the trigger guard until you have made the conscious decision to fire.

  • 4. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it: Positively identify your target and know what lies beyond or behind it to prevent unintended injury or damage.

The father mentioned in the post above did not follow any of these rules and his daughter is gone.

Good point. I have always been of a seemingly singular thought that if a person was sent prison by a jury of his peers and was discharged from prison rehabilitated, that person should at least have the right to defend himself in his own home. I feel that person should be allowed to go and purchase the 12 gauge of his choice, with as much ammo as he wants to be able to defend himself, his family and his home. As long as that shotgun is INSIDE HIS HOME, he should be safe from prosecution.

I work with a young man who did something really stupid when he was in high school. He was tried as an adult and was sent to prison. The time he spent in prison scared the hell out of him and he changed his ways. He walks the straight and narrow now. Because of his unfortunate incarceration, he cannot get a lease into a clean apartment complex and has to settle for a very rough neighborhood. His apartment has been broken into several times. With him still being on parole, he can’t even defend himself hand to hand because he will go back to jail for fighting. He and his wife have both been brutalized because the criminal element in his hood KNOWS he can’t defend himself. It just ain’t right.

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Am I reading it correctly that you’re a victim?

By the way, I’m not white and that doesn’t automatically disqualify me as a racist.

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I know the solution. If we give everyone the love they need no one will want to murder anyone. As far as the man killing his daughter I think being responsibly armed is the answer. Well actually being responsibly armed is an act of love and love is the answer.

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The man who killed his daughter was not responsibly armed (He was armed, but not responsibly) so therefore he did not love his daughter.

Or am I reading too much into this?

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You got it right. The more I think about it the less sense it makes. I don’t remember. I don’t think it was a mercy killing. I guess my answer is IDK.

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Copy on the IDK, Brother.

One thing is for certain though, The Dad didn’t understand the assignment and his daughter paid the price.

According to the article posted from the BBC, The Dad didn’t even have charges brought against him.

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I will say, in the years I’ve been on this forum, I’ve never seen one instance of this you’re describing, at least here. The members who are regulars, and positive contributors to this community, all seem to be universally Pro2A, and supportive of all law abiding Americans exercising their rights to self defense, regardless of social standing, race, etc.

You seem to be pretty new here, but if you read a while, you’ll see that you’re talking to a community that treats everyone equally, and is welcoming to everyone who genuinely wants to make positive contributions, not coming in pre-judging anyone. We represent all races, locations in the US and socioeconomic status here, with members from all groups. Now, some people just come to stir the pot and make trouble, with no desire to understand others, and those folks will get shut down. They get shut down because of what they say about others.

Anyway, welcome aboard and I hope you have real success in your teaching and promoting safe and responsible firearms use and ownership.

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I don’t give a damn what color anyone is abide by the law train with your weapon and learn the safey skills needed and I’m good don’t do what I just mentioned and handle a weapon and your a fool. I don’t know anyone on this site’s color and don’t care. Boils down to right is right wrong is wrong period. I for one am tired of race card bill ■■■■.

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Amen, brother! Around here, the serious folks call out the people talking crap and the trolls fling their BS at everyone, no matter what social/political/religious/racial corner of the country you hail from.

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Amen. In another field they have a scale of errors, some are more blatant, some accidental but could have been avoided, some are near misses.

Can’t say it publicly here, but I was close to a near miss once. It changed my life - will never be the same, ended up taking up a couple of other big hobbies since - now I’m a self proclaimed “safety nut”.

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Funny, I read the responses, and then read yours. I was about to encourage you to do more research on the topic. My recommendations to you is to read the following book about this nation, the second amendment and guns. The Second: Race and Guns in a Fatally Unequal America. If you can read this book and dismiss these historical facts… then yes I will concede to you

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I don’t disagree with the man. I think I am arguing for us to look deeper. Call it “social sonar”. If I go somewhere and I guy shoots his daughter…. how does everyone else react? When the man says that “the gun went off”, how does everyone else react? I personally can’t speak on the man’s hearts…. but I feel it is fair to speak on the man’s actions… and We the People, even as divided as sometimes we may be… to examine how we respond.

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Well perception is in the eye of the beholder. For you personally, even if you are not white, and even though it does not disqualify you as a racists…… if you read what I wrote and heard a man saying he is a victim, then that is your truth. Your life, how you were raised, how you have navigated through this world, your main take away is that I am victim. So I can’t answer for you what you read. We have a nation right now seeing pictures of grown men with underage girls…. some men see crimes being committed, other men see men they like being wrongly persecuted. If you are asking me what am I saying… I can only repeat myself. I am identifying threats. When I was in a combat unit, we identified threats. We never had anyone ask us if we were victims because there were threats on the battlefield… so for me, my world, how I was raised and live… I don’t understand your mindset to ask such a question. I am not saying your mindset is not logical, I am only saying it is so far removed from what I fashioned from as a soldier. To speak threats does not mean you are a victim. For us it actually mean you are the opposite. Even in the CCW trainining, we communicate that to perceived threats is to DECREASE your chance of BECOMING a victim. I would be interested in learning more about your culture and the varying views on the topic of threats and victimhood.

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Absolutely man. I am not a lawyer and don’t know how to structure the logic…. but man I really feel we should be more vocal about a man’s right to defend himself today, and it not being impeded because of mistakes of the past. If we tell these men that all they can ever be is what they did…. why incentive do they have to improve?

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I stay confused why it is not more widely accepted for

I often talk about how when I go to Atlanta, there is always a group of women complaining about how all the men are gay. I never get offended…. because I am not gay. I like this also about race. Men who aren’t racist don’t get tired of “hearing” about racial issue. They get tired of them occurring. Men who aren’t racists do waste their breath saying that it doesn’t occur… .and then when it does, they don’t bother wasting breath saying it doesn’t matter, or it doesn’t count. This I know from life experience.

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What facts am I dismissing? I was countering your opinion, not facts.

You totally misunderstood his point. We agree on your point about the felon rule. All of the federal laws on “gun control”, including the NFA, FFA, GSA, and FOPA, etc., are unconstitutional.

Total nonsense. That BS has been shoved down our throats for so many decades, and being called racist in all the media and by democrat politicians - yes it is quite tiresome.

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  1. First response, you are dismissing the fact that you hearing people point out race issues in America is not you being oppressed. Nothing was “shoved down your throat”. You expressing such a visceral reaction to hearing about race, says more about you than you likely were wanting to admit.
  2. No… I think you misunderstood my point. I was not challenging the gentleman. I was agreeing with him. I think you are still carrying some emotions from my mentioning my race as well, and that is clouding your ability to read my words. If you notice, I even liked the gentleman’s comment. Anger clouds men’s ability to comprehend. Hatred and anger are highly correlative.
  3. I wrote Far Right is an issue to 2nd Amendments rights for all of us, and spoke about racists….. what about “Far Right” and “Racists”, made you think “He is talking me?” – the honest answer is the answer to your question. You know your heart. You know what you REALLY stand for. I stand for freedom for all. I served this nation in the military. I fought terrorists and will again. I will fight racists. I will fight nazis. If that triggers you….or makes you feel we are on opposite sides… I appreciate your candor.
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Okay, believe what you may.

Where did I state that I believe that it did? I am still “allowed” to express my opinion, too. So, are you now implying that I am a racist because I disagree with you? You need to read far more posts before making ludicrous assumptions.

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