Why Hate on PCCs?

I tend to agree with @Sheepdog556. I look at the PCC as a pistol with enhanced capabilities, but still don’t consider it to compete with a rifle of similar dimensions and weight. I’m not counting SBR’s, rifle caliber pistols, or legal restrictions that vary by state or county.

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You are absolutely correct

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I got my wife the Ruger PC Charger. 9mm out of a 6" barrel. It is light and compact, which was the reason she wanted it. It has almost no recoil and is super easy to shoot very, very well. I put a green dot on it and it is scary accurate out to 50 yards.

For her, it was an ideal gun. It is an absolute blast to shoot and has a nice trigger. It is a little lighter than an AR pistol and has none of the muzzle flash.

With her disabilities, it is just what she needed. Her husband also loves to shoot it too. Lol.

Edit: I forgot to mention that our primary focus is on home defense. For that mission set it is awesome for her.

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Clint is a realist. That means if he is drinking a glass of water and then it is half empty and if he was filling the glass it would be half full. It all depends upon the full context. A pistol is a pistol and a rifle is a rifle. That is the way I see it anyways.
My question is: A 22 LR shooting from a rifle, is it considered a carbine?

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I bought a 7.5" Foxtrot Mike 9mm and I really like it. It takes Glock mags and I’ve had no malfunctions at all. At 7.5" it’s very maneuverable for home defense and not nearly as loud as what 5.56 or .223 would be at the same barrel length. The other reason I got one, is because if I’m not home or shit hits the fan my wife can handle this whereas with her shoulder and back issues I’m not comfortable handing her a shotgun.

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I think it’s a great idea to have a handgun - rifle combo. The.44-40 is such an example - you only had one caliber to keep on hand, and you could reach out beyond handgun ranges. The same goes for pistol - rifle combos, plus you can wring out max performance .

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I have a couple of 9mm PCCs. One that shares mags with my Beretta, another that shares mags with my Glock. I don’t hunt and I don’t intend to engage anything over 100 yards (if even that).

I started reloading 9mm this summer and have enough components to last at least a year even if I don’t cut down on my range time.

I’m satisfied with my decision.

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Long rifle pistol caliber carbine… I think we just designated a new classification for the ATF!!!

:stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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Sounds like you made the right decision for your circumstances. Thats all any of us can do

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What’s funny is I made this post, and definitely bought an AR over a PCC :rofl::joy:.

It is peculiar because Clint is pretty pro shoot anything you want as long as you train. He’ll let you run a lever action through his class.

I’d take an AR over a PCC any day. I just see there are some practical uses for PCCs like stated above.

I guess if I new a fight was on the way, I’d rather have a PCC over a pistol. BUT I’d rather have an AR over a PCC…

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:backhand_index_pointing_up:t4:
Why I want a PCC… and then, the Ruger Charger in 9MM came out. Now, that one I really WANT!

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I will just say that all PCC’s are not equal. A PCC in .45 auto will gain you some accuracy at range, but usually little increase in velocity. However with a .357 magnum PCC, your pistol round can become much more. I see an increase of from 400, to as much as 700 fps shooting the same load out of my rifle. So in the case of the .357 I get not only increased accuracy, but a significant increase in velocity and performance. My PCC in .357 is a fully legitimate 100Y hunting rifle.

It’s all relative to your situation. The idea was best served in the old west, where one round that could service your rifle and your side arm had a much greater benefit that it generally does now.

Either way, a PCC is usually compactable enough that it has a chance to be with you when you need it, and they generally make for much more accurate fire, especially if extended ranges come into play. So if a compactable PCC could be staged where a full rifle would be impossible, or impractical, ( tank crews of WWII come to mind ) A PCC , I think, makes enough of a difference to be worth it.

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Most people have a firearm bias. Thee is nothing wrong with a PCC. They are fun to plink with, practice different shooting positions with, have low recoil and therefore are a great tool to introduce a new shooter with. Not all uses are dead serious “kill zombies” applications. My Ruger PCC breaks down to a backpack size and uses cheap ammo, (I stocked up when it cost $10.00 a box).
Freedom of choice is what makes this a great country.

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I think its the fact they have no real world practical application
But fun to shoot

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If you get the Charger, you will not regret it. It is awesome.

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I don’t own one, but I would think Home Self Defense would be a real world practical application?

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Let’s see… I have to change my understanding of having no “real world application.”

My grandpa used to hunt with a 25 caliber rifle that had less power than a 9mm and still brought home food for the family. This country was settled with black powder muskets. I guess we have gotten so enamored or the 2000 ft lb cartridge that we now think that 300 ft lbs is suitable only for putting holes in paper.

Several years ago, I had a guy working for me that got into a gun fight at a bar. My guy took out his mighty 45 and traded shots with a guy that has a 22 pistol. We buried my guy - shot in the heart. The other guy took a few hits - all arms and legs.

The reality is that a 9mm out of a carbine is not much different than a 357 magnum - which I used to hunt with.
To really make things interesting, I just bought a Ruger 10/22 and put a red-dot on it for my wife who cannot carry a very heavy gun; much less accurately shoot one. She can handle the 22lr, so that is what I am going to get her to practice with. Beats a knife, right?

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I believe Paul Harrel has a video of 9mm breaking through body armor (probably pistol rated). 9mm out of a rifle is definitely different than a hand gun.

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For what reason would you pick a pcc over ether a handgun or rifle

Home defense it gives the bullet more velocity higher chance of over penetration then a handgun and if you are not worried about over penetration you should probably use a rifle its the same size and more effective

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Okay your grandpa was a good Hunter with a shity round is anybody really going to go hunting with a PCC
The musket suck more people died of infection gangrene then died from their actual gunshot

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