What is the best reason to go to war? An American was killed

From the Wall Street Journal

W ASHINGTON—U.S. military and diplomatic officials are weighing plans to send special forces troops to Kyiv to guard the newly reopened embassy there, proposals that would force the Biden administration to balance a desire to avoid escalating the U.S. military presence in the war zone against fears for the safety of American diplomats, U.S. officials said.

Kinda like how Polk started a war with Mexico.

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If Ukraine is at point that it can not protect the Sovereign soil of the nations it hosts. I believe the Embassies should be relocated to somewhere safer. So the embassy staff can continue to do it’s work safely in this crisis. Preferably
a location that is in a well funded, well guarded , and allied country to the U.S. of A.in as

We don’t need another slaughter of our Marines, we know they will fight with honor and courage to the bitter end. I don’t wato see that. They deserve better.

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Fighting for peace is the only thing worth fighting for. It is the only thing that is sustainable.

Maybe so, but we must define "peace’. Is peace simply the cessation of active hostilities? Or is peace something deeper, like the reduction/elimination of the sources of the hostility between combatants in a way that satisfies all parties concerned? Once disparate peoples can deal with each other without threat or even thought of using violence to settle a dispute, then there is peace between them. Apparent peace in the presence of covert hostilities is called a “cold war”, which is still a war, even if it’s a lot quieter.

We shouldn’t treat peace the way we treat educational achievement, i.e., where a difficult goal is accomplished by lowering the standards rather than making the effort to reach the actual goal.

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Peace, my definition, all people working together for a greater good.

I’m not trying to be “that guy,” but how many people can fail at working towards a greater good before it’s no longer considered “peace”? For example, if I have 100 people in a town and 98 of them are working together for a greater good, is that still “peace”? (98% seems pretty dang good, to me. The other 2%… one is a ne’er-do-well and no one knows what his problem is, the other is an aspiring artist who is angry that no one will buy his paintings.)

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While you are at it, end world hunger and save the whales.

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Will have to save that for another thread. Don’t want to PO the OP.

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That sounds lovely. Now we just have to define what is meant by a “greater good”. Greater than what? Where is the threshold between greater and lesser? What is “good”? Change can be better without being good. And good for whom?

The Holocaust was considered by its architects to be a mission for “greater good”. I’m sure that Putin believes that invading the Ukraine is in service to the “greater good”’ Every anti-gunner would agree that the elimination of privately owned firearms is a “greater good”. The left seems to think that the suppression of dissenting ideas is a “greater good”. There are vocal demonstrations currently espousing abortion as a “greater good”. In my experience, the “greater good” is invoked as a moral-sounding rationale for screwing somebody out of their own “good” which happens to be unpopular at the moment.

The core problem is this: who gets to decide what is “good” and what is “greater”? What power can they draw upon to enforce it on those who disagree? And there will always be some who disagree. In a simple construction, the “greater” need only be 50.1% in order to impose its “good” on 100%. In other words, mob rule.

It has been more than 50 years since the launching of the War On Poverty, enacted through massive social entitlement programs. The result? Today we have more people living in poverty, more children living in single parent homes, increasing public education failure, more crime in poverty stricken areas, a crumbling middle class, and growing calls for national socialism among the young. All as a result of “working together for the greater good”.

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You ask some good questions and make so good points that we can work with. We/I can learn from this. IT is good. We just need to keep a positive attitude and have a negative attitude toward a negative attitude. ( Two negatives make a positive) When we have a negative attitude toward a positive or a positive one toward a negative one is when the result is negative. I can only speak for myself and this is how it works for me and I feel it(- +) in my heart. We/ I can’t dictate how it should be for anyone else.

That could be one definition of “working together for the greater good”. :wink:

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That is called freedom, something the politicians on the Left are actively fighting against in our country. Mask and Vaccine mandates are good examples of that.

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That is why I am willing to accept some of the inefficiency that I believe has been intentionally built into our government. The freedoms and rights of the minority should never be threatened by the tyranny of the majority.

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That is why the US is a republic and not a democracy.

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