What happens when an ideology gets institutionalized?

… and there go your rights. Backing this kid on his choice to fight.



(Why does the forum software insist on asking me if my message is clear, instead of allowing me to post it?)


@OldGnome - sometimes if you’re putting up partial sentences, or just go with colloquial grammar, I think it wants to “help” :laughing:


"The prosecution also noted that “it’s not a defense… that the defendant did not have the intent or ability to commit terrorism” — Just what is a defense, if that is not? :thinking:


@Greg1 I thought intent was part of the necessary components for a crime… @MikeBKY - doesn’t that have to be there?


Due process and intent are in the past and don’t exist anymore. This is the pretext to anarchy and civil war. It’s exactly what they want.
The Jews NEVER saw it coming, are we turning a blind eye?
Phone calls, protests, marches, letters, legislation is all but a joke.
My eyes are wide open. It seems every one is about to give in and we will become slaves, sooner than we think. No progress is being made unless you’re a leftist, socialist, communist, progressive liberal. They are progressing unusually fast.
I’m usually on the winning side, may have to switch sides in order to survive. I’m not seeing to many warriors prepared to DEFEND our constitution or a free nation. I guess a lot of people don’t see Venezuela happening here because liberals do it right. Slowly undermining the population.
In my opinion, I can feel the underlying sentiments in a lot of these posts. Free peoples are scared to death to say what they really feel. That is a measure of censorship and a loss of freedom of speech.
Let’s take an inventory. 1st amendment dwindling, 2nd amendment being shredded, 4th amendment gone, 14th amendment abolished. We are being treaded and trampled upon, this is not what the founding fathers envisioned, actually I think they would be embarrassed.
If history serves, I don’t recall to much legislation taking place to free this country.
If this is not tyranny I surely don’t know what is. Maybe someone can define tyranny for me.
Is anyone out there ready to defend our country. I took an oath many years ago and I still believe in it. I just wish I was younger.
Bad guys are free, law abiding citizens are constrained. Soon to be restrained.


hit the nail right on the head


Here is the Michigan law …

750.543m Making terrorist threat or false report of terrorism; intent or capability as defense prohibited; violation as felony; penalty.
Sec. 543m.
(1) A person is guilty of making a terrorist threat or of making a false report of terrorism if the person does either of the following:
(a) Threatens to commit an act of terrorism and communicates the threat to any other person.
(b) Knowingly makes a false report of an act of terrorism and communicates the false report to any other person, knowing the report is false.
(2) It is not a defense to a prosecution under this section that the defendant did not have the intent or capability of committing the act of terrorism.
(3) A person who violates this section is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 20 years or a fine of not more than $20,000.00, or both.

So the answer to your question @Zee is yes and no. For instance, if someone calls a bomb threat in to a school, it is not necessary for the state to prove that the offender did not intend to blow up the school or that he did not have the ability to do so, the threat is what is illegal. However, there must be some level of criminal culpability (mens rea) that justifies a conviction, i.e. purposefully, intentional, knowingly, wantonly, recklessly, negligently.
There are some instances where crimes fall under strict liability. These are usually regulatory or public welfare offenses such as OSHA, speeding and have relatively low penalties. Other are not, such as statutory rape which does not require that you know the age of the victim or possession of a firearm within 1000 feet of a school and you didn’t know you were within 1000 feet.

The Michigan statute does not list a mental state in section (a) with “Threatens to commit an act of terrorism.” That could be taken as strict liability, but the state would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused threatened to commit an act of terrorism which would seem to require some level of intent.

Just think what happens the next time someone tells somebody else that they are going to blow up his phone?


Thanks @MikeBKY. I would love to sit on that jury :slight_smile:

“Taking this bad boy up. This ought to make the snowflakes melt a — and I mean snowflakes as in snow,”

(Sarcasm/absurdity) So they clearly have a threat made against snow… now when do they start arresting the snow plow drivers and the owner operator of any car with a defroster? Where is the public outrage every Spring? Think about how much “water” the grounds keeping crew at that university have on their hands!


I recall 2 relevant court cases. One was in France at the beginning of 20th century and is known as the Dreyfus Affair. French military broght a capital punishment charge against an army officer, on bogus grounds, and for no reason, other than he belonged to a hated ethnic group. This was widely publicised in press and many prominent media figures of the time spoke in his defence. Lets see how modern American MSM responds. The case ended with not guilty verdict, and became a stain on recent French history.

The other case was in NC, 2006?, when memebers of Duke Lacrosse team were charged after false allegations of rape. Again, prosecution wanted to score cheap political points and went after hated socio-economic group. The outcome was acquittal and the DA booted from office.


Ok, this might not be a popular opinion - but his post sounded like a threat to me.

He’s in college, he should know better than to make statements like that.

She’s in college, she should know better than to say “I seen.”

This situation could have been avoided by both parties with a little forethought about their language choice.


@Dawn, yes and…

it kind of made me assume that, um, kind of like as with the gun and shoot other civilians and stuff with it,"

That is not a representation of someone who feels genuinely threatened. Not reading a lot of imminent threat or alarm there.

Basically I’m not buying her story as one of genuine fear.


@Dawn and @Zee - we seem to have reached a point where the only individuals held accountable for their communications and understanding are those sending communications. Receivers have a responsibility to understand the communications, not intentionally misinterpret them.

Far too often in society today, communication senders are the only ones held to any kind of a standard…and one that relies far too often on the concept of “well he could have meant it that way, so I’m offended/scared/hurt/want my mommy.”


It was not the girl that originally complained that put him behind bars and kept him there for almost 3 months. It was police, school administration and prosecutor. Is there ability to comprehend written English the same as that of emotionally compromised teenage girl, or are they responding to any “J’Accuse!” now?

I don’t believe it is like so. I mentioned the Dreyfus Affair and Duke Lacrosse case for a reason.


I would agree with you on that, @OldGnome!


Tough room… I am going to have to scrub everything I have ever said about mosquitoes from my social media :slight_smile: (kidding)

It is a AR-15, so using “melting” is not uncommon.


Dawn, right on. Both should learn some restraint.

I feel for Lucas. I’ve said things that have gotten me into trouble before. “8 but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.”

He screwed up. Yes, the punishment is excessive. Welcome to the civil war. Folks it’s only going to get worse. This is the danger with academia and the progressives. Unfortunately, they are not out of touch. Clearly, half of America is with them. We’re the other half. The only thing we have on our side is the Constitution and the history of this nation’s greatness.
If we lose this culture war, we’ll lose this country.


@Aaron25 - I could not agree with you more.


I think I’m with @OldGnome on this one.


More like, stepped on the mine field. Any one can screw up like this - like calling a person by a wrong pronoun, or wearing an evil hat, or calling a foreigner a foreigner. I would like to see that this boy follows Nick Sandmann and sues.