Universal reciprocity

I am so tired of having to disarm every time I exit my vehicle in Illinois. I live on the border of Illinois and Indiana and actually spend more time in Illinois. What can be done about the crazy rules Illinois has put in place? They will not even approve a non resident application for their carry permit even if you jump through their hoops and pass their curriculum. I’m an instructor and recently received my ID # from Illinois to teach their curriculum but I myself cannot carry in that state. I would welcome a huge lobby to change Illinois law and every state that does not recognize another states permits.

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@John_S1,

Good morning, friend! Welcome to the USCCA community!

I’ve heard that Illinois makes it impossible for one to get one whereas going to extremes of even denying people for no particular reason.

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I hear you friend, my brother lives in the People’s State of Illinois and it’s a PITA every time I go to visit him…….and that’s why I have him come here for most visits. :slight_smile:

Not sure what can be done, not living in the State. Seems like everything is controlled by Cook County.

Welcome to the Community.

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That’s true! They do not openly say that they will turn down your application if you are a non resident but that is in fact what they do.

John Christensen

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@JamesR

Just reading those words makes me sick!

Hope all has been well on your end @JamesR !!

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Correct, sir! Every state that you live requires being a resident in order to acquire a CHP.
In-fact most, will not even sell you a gun if you are not a resident, but here in Louisiana you may. We are “The Sportsman’s Paradise”

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Not entirely sure I follow what you’re saying here, but actually a lot of states will issue permits to non-residents. Some, of course, are easier to obtain than others. IL will issue to non-residents, but “only [to] residents of states or territories of the United States that have laws substantially similar to the requirements to obtain a license under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act are eligible. Currently, the only states considered to be substantially similar are Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas and Virginia.”

LA will only issue non-resident “for members of the military permanently stationed in Louisiana with a Louisiana driver’s license or Louisiana state ID.”

This is a great resource for anyone who has questions on state specific gun laws. http://www.uscca.com/laws

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I know. It seems like Chicago has become a socialistic state in itself. The rest of the state is mostly rural and conservative.

John Christensen

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I’m almost wondering if you couldn’t then use this to “game the system.” I know TX will issue to non-residents. Could you get a non-resident TX permit, and then use that to get an IL non-resident permit? Seems like it would be expensive, and awfully time consuming. And of course there’s no guarantee that IL will recognize a “non-resident” TX permit (assuming these are marked differently than resident permits).

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@Terence1,

While, I do appreciate you filling me in on the knowledge that more states do allow CHP without residency but, I’m very, very familiar with Louisiana gun laws. Please be advised, I was talking about purchasing a firearm. I also have read a few states that have said non-resident can not purchase or obtain fire-arm or CHP/CCW or whatever they call it there (Same diffrence) without being residents.

However, Louisiana is only truly the state I can sign, swear, and promise by.

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Well assuming that you were military are law-enforcement that might work. I believe (Not sure) Texas to require a person again to have a place of residence there when getting a permit.

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Hi James,
Well it’s state representatives from Chicago and collar counties surrounding Cook. House of Representatives Speaker Madigan and Senate majority leader Cullerton. Who overwhelmingly lead the herd of Democrat packed majority and it’s mainly the Sheep in Cook and Lake counties voting cycle after cycle for poor leadership. The Illinois state police even have it set where if you try to access the ISP Website for your own information it would change your saved data and nullify your license so as you have to pay for a new license. Illinois never intended for the lawful residents of this state to ever see a Concealed Carry License’s. Their claims were if they give the people the ability to protect themselves and carry a firearm the people of the state will turn it into “The Wild West” it never happened other than gang territories which already was. I still convinced Democrat politicians are hopeful the state will turn into the Wild West so they can revoke and reverse all of the 325,000+ Concealed Carry licenses for a bogus reason. The Illinois State Rifle Association fought for Concealed Carry here and the case was headed off to the United States Supreme Court but they got scared so they passed concealed carry firearm laws.

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While I’m not an expert on TX laws, and if I was legitimately looking into getting a non-resident permit (which I almost did, but then realized that with reciprocity I don’t need a full blown TX permit), I’d certainly look closer into this…but according to the USCCA:

Q: Does Texas issue concealed carry permits to non-residents?
A: Yes. The process is the same as for residents.

This tells me that you do not have to have a place of residence in TX when getting a permit. They issue to non-residents, you just have to go through the same process. Also, unlike LA, they do not mention you have to be military or LEO.

But IL is a “shall issue with discretion” (lol) so still no guarantee they’d issue with a TX non-resident permit. Since the constitution is the “law of the land”, it would be nice of our second amendment right was unfettered (or at least consistent) throughout the entire country.

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I’m so glad for this because imagine someone like me in the first tax bracket therefore, I’m poor to be honest at the moment. So, if some one like “me” were to get turned down…then what? I can’t afford representation.

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With the current IL Gov I think your only short term hope is the SCOTUS.

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Hi Randy,
Nice seeing you today. Well I know your bills must be high after the unexpected hospitalization and other things you never expected. See here in Illinois specifically Cook and Lake Democrat politicians want you powerless and dependent. And that’s all I have to say about naming political parties. There’s been to much bickering these last few days about politics so I stayed away. I’m not going to fight or otherwise argue with anyone about something stupid like politics. I hope you’re and your wife are getting on with things after the loss buddy. I can offer you conversation and solace because you know I’ve been through this to many times to count as a funeral director now retired with all sorts of families so if you want someone to talk to I’m always free.

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@Terence1,

I really appreciate your sharing. I had to look back and sometimes on here one might think I’m being disrespectful and I’m not by any means. I was actually trying to insist that I’m ignorant of the whole nations laws in which each state has restrictions (.:grimacing::grimacing: That’s what the Reciprocity map from the USCCA that you shared should be on our phone and if not call then from your cell. The USCCA staff would love to say hello and tell you via phone…

Did you know, I just recently learned that they will only acknowledge your permit if you have it in a shoulder or belt holster. (That could be bad for like a woman who has it in her purse or even a man with a pocket pistol).

Although, one should know that when traveling to Texas to Leah’s folks. Her dad insisted that his daughter could carry in her purse based on the knowledge written in his U.S. Lawshield Rep on there own Reciprocity Map.

Laws do change all the time and I’m not talking mess about U, S, L.S.but USCCA stays on top of them.

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Not at all, sir! And hopefully I didn’t come across as disrespectful either. Reciprocity is certainly an interesting topic - and one can find themselves in a legal quagmire if not careful. I was just hoping to share a resource that I (and my wife) have found immensely useful.

Thanks for the insight and discussion. Have a wonderful day, brother!

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@Robert,

Thank you as well, sir! We are doing a lot better today Today was a lot harder for her because she had to go into work while I did not, but its the thoughts and prayers such as yours that get us by!
As much as I love talking politics there are days where I will avoid it at all cost…

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LEOs and retired LEOs can use LEOSA for carrying across the country. Active Military stationed in a state may be able to get a resident permit of that state due to being stationed there.

I believe in Wisconsin you cannot purchase a firearm if you’re from a different state (unless your active military stationed in WI - and then it’s an extra hoop or two to jump through).

IL non-resident permits:
only residents of states or territories of the United States that have laws substantially similar to the requirements to obtain a license under the Firearm Concealed Carry Act are eligible. Currently, the only states considered to be substantially similar are Arkansas, Mississippi, Texas and Virginia.

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