You have no idea how sick I am of competency being used to get dangerous criminals out of liability here.
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This is an online forum so itās a little different. So please donāt take this as me being a jerk. But in real life I get greatly annoyed when people ask my opinion without giving me all of the relevant context. Not saying this post is apples to apples. But just setting forth one of my many idiosyncrasies. 
I should be medicated.
I stand by my post. Like it or not, the legal standard for deadly force against a fleeing individual is very narrow. If I recall the lecture from Mag40 correctly there are something like 6 criteria that have to be present. I am not looking up my notes, but I donāt see how they all could be met in this case.
Whatās worse than being hit by a car? Spending your life savings on lawyer fees and then spending a long time (rest of your life) in jail after being hit by a car.
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Sorry. I did that intentionally to see if the added context would change anybodyās determination, but I understand what you mean.
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No apology needed. Online forums are different and the additional context wasnāt like it changed the dynamic completely (at least in my opinion).
Like I said, not trying to be a jerk and was exposing my own idiosyncrasy!
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Not just a wasted bullet, but still illegal in most municipalities. Even here in Texas, I canāt fire a warning shotā¦unless he has a weapon leveled at me presenting imminent threat and my warning shot goes into his center mass, stopping the threat.
The story makes no reference if the car was used as a weapon or if the shoplifter had a weapon. If he was genuinely fleeing the scene, he is no longer fair game.
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Iāll go back to the Hand to Hand Thing. You attack me I can defend, as soon as you say āOK OK Iām doneā I have to stop. You donāt even have to retreat, you can say it standing still right in front of me. Attack me again and I can defendā¦
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Was one in āfearā, or was one in āangerā?
Made me wonder about all those many dangerous car chases by police. Showing how a perpetratorās tire can be blown out - yet he still drives for miles on end at the speed of a cheetah.
I sure wouldnāt wanna face 12 jurors in this case. Iād become incontinent on the spot.
Worse, heard they are making more prison cells, re-opening an old prison, its name is Alcatraz.
Remember when we were kids, that program called āScared Straightā? Maybe we need to bring that back, but for adults.
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I swear I saw that exact same scene in a film staring Clint Eastwood as Det. Harold Francis Callahan.
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A few years ago I read something about the legal intricacies of using deadly force, particularly firearms, to stop a fleeing subject who was not otherwise immediately endangering LEOs or civilians. What I seem to remember is that the only time it is completely legal was when the fleeing subject had already been adjudicated guilty by a court and remanded to custody and was then attempting to flee said custody or a detention facility. Shooting at a fleeing suspect simply to prevent them evading capture was specifically not allowed.
Bear in mind that my opinion is informed by hundreds of hours of TV, movies, crime novels, and some internet articles. YMMV.
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OK let me throw this into the mix:
IF the guy hit him with his car and then tried to drive off, could hesay I was afraid for my life because he hit me with the car heās driving off in AND Iām defending the lives of other on the street knowing he is capable and willing to run them down as well?
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āThat comment about shooting at the tire is going to be his downfall.ā
Apparently, he needed to be a USCCA member so that he would have been educated as to what to do before, during and after
a shooting event.
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I think that is a fair assumption.
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Possibly bought a gun for self-defense and thatās it.
How hard could it be, point and shoot!
Hope he has insurance like USCCA.
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there are times when I see such and think perhaps the person committing the crime will recommitā¦
not real sureā¦ but think removing some individuals from the genetic pool could a be good thingā¦
but ALSO thinkin that way opens a GIANT can of wormsā¦ so???
who decides such an issue??? way open for abuse!!!
still remember a legal something about there is only so much a person can withstand before taking action argument???
courts got rid of that in the 60ās IIRCā¦
so they can attacked you they then run and you are left with your reaction coursing through your bodyā¦
the reaction toā¦ they just tried to kill meā¦ GRRRRRRRR kinda thingā¦
to a degree I can understand the reaction and there are times when in sympathy I think justifiable rage???
but killing someone over such is not a good thingā¦ is wrong IMHOā¦
yet I think many of we the people understand the concept of such a reactionā¦
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Understanding is one thing. Being able to explain it is another. For me it is about not reacting. That is the difficult part. Then acting in a way that is beneficial to society. I think one has to plan to know what they are going to do before it happens. Discussing things like this is beneficial to all of us.
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Double sadness, shop lifter gets a death sentence; The store owner said he doesnāt like violence, but was, and wore a āScarfaceā movie shirt; You know how many acts of violence and number of bullets were fired in that movie? Sad day in court.
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