The US Post Office

hmmm… interesting… did Trump talk about making the USPS become privatized???

so it would be no longer a fed system?

wonder who would buy it if that was done???

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I lock my cars in my garage.

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I used to be able to keep my car unlocked, windows down, with my wallet sitting on the hood.
Now I’m lucky if I still have a catalytic converter in the morning.

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Our Cars are in the Garage or behind a steel gate
Rebar through the door slats
(surprised I don’t lock their doors–that seems excessive! :rofl:)

We don’t give anybody an Open Opportunity to our stuff.
Post Office? We don’t go inside. If we HAVE TO we use the UPS store
Stamps bought online
Schools/Property?—No Kids–No Issue.

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Somebody should go and open carry into the post office and see what happens
Report back. so the rest of us know exactly what the laws are.
But then again, nobody believes anybody here, so maybe you just need to go look things up for yourselves remember to read read the definitions and then the law

Next,
Didn’t the judge also, just strike down all gun free zones even in federal courthouse?

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If you got away with caring in the post office, you got away with committing a federal crime. It doesn’t matter if you’re an Idaho, or in Hawaii
Or, if the clerk thought you were cute.

A recent Florida district court decision is being misreported or may be misinterpreted as holding that the Postal Service’s ban on carrying firearms — either openly or concealed, or storing them on USPS property — is unconstitutional.

In fact, the case dealt with a different federal statute and does not involve the Postal Service’s regulation. Therefore, it does not change the organization’s policy.

Employees are reminded that carrying or storing firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives — either openly or concealed — on USPS property is prohibited and can result in discipline up to and including removal from the Postal Service, as well as potential prosecution.

This prohibition includes storing firearms in vehicles that are parked on postal property.


Is still valid

https://news.usps.com/2024/01/18/usps-wants-everyone-to-know-its-policy-on-firearms-on-postal-property/

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Could be the solution to the problem of it being a GFZ.

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In CA and this is for CA only, it is legal to have an unopened container of alcohol in your passenger compartment, ie., making a wine run to TJ’s and coming home with a case of wine on the back seat. But an opened container is verboten. Open containers may be carried locked in the trunk of the car but not in the passenger compartment. It used to be no open containers in the vehicle anywhere but the restaurant people and the vineyard people paid off the legislature so that people who had a partial bottle of wine left over after dinner had to drink it before they left the restaurant, thus resulting in possible intoxicated driving — at least that was the basis for the legislation allowing open containers in the trunk. One could take the Opus 1 home in the trunk partially consumed and not have to keep it from polluting the waters of CA from it being poured down the drain in the restaurant kitchen heh heh heh.

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Have you read your states laws on DUI?
Most dates in the DUI lot states it says anywhere within the state or verbiage that is very similar.

They don’t care if your car is parked in your front yard. They don’t care if it’s parked in your garage.
California and just a couple others are the oddballs that state the vehicle must be put in gear or somebody witnessed you driving to enforce dui law

They can also search anywhere in the vehicle they can reach from the driver seat without your permission or a warrant.

And the school zone law doesn’t care if you open the door and touch the ground.
just being in the school zone even if you are in your vehicle, which doesn’t have the same protections to search and seizure as your house does.

It’s important to note that even within states, the laws can differ between municipalities. For example, in some cities or counties within a state, drinking in a parked car may be prohibited even if it isn’t prohibited in the state as a whole.

Many states also have open container laws, which prohibit the possession of an open container of alcohol in a vehicle. These laws can apply to both parked and moving vehicles.
In some states, it is a criminal offense to consume alcohol in a parked car, while in others it is only illegal if the car is on a public road or highway. Some states also have specific laws that prohibit drinking in a parked car on a public beach or park.

example, in California, it is a criminal offense to drink in a parked car on a public highway or road. Penalties for this offense can include fines, jail time, and the revocation of your driver’s license.
Open container laws can apply to parked cars in most states the same way they apply to moving cars. If you are found to be in possession of an open container of alcohol in a parked car, you can be charged with a criminal offense.

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Then in Montana

Unlawful Possession Of Open Alcoholic Beverage Container In Motor Vehicle On Highway

61-8-1026. Unlawful possession of open alcoholic beverage container in motor vehicle on highway. (1) Except as provided in subsection (2), a person commits the offense of unlawful possession of an open alcoholic beverage container in or on a motor vehicle if the person knowingly possesses an open alcoholic beverage container within the passenger area of a motor vehicle on a highway.

(2) This section does not apply to an open alcoholic beverage container:

(a) in a locked glove compartment or storage compartment;

(b) in a motor vehicle trunk or luggage compartment or rack, or in a truck bed or cargo compartment;

(c) behind the last upright seat of a motor vehicle that is not equipped with a trunk;

(d) in a closed container in the area of a motor vehicle that is not equipped with a trunk and that is not normally occupied by the driver or a passenger; or

(e) in the immediate possession of a passenger:

(i) of a bus, taxi, or limousine that is used for the transportation of persons for compensation and that includes the provision of a hired driver; or

(ii) in the living quarters of a camper, travel trailer, or motor home.

(3) (a) A person convicted of the offense of unlawful possession of an open alcoholic beverage container in a motor vehicle shall be fined an amount not to exceed $100.

(b) A violation of this section is not a criminal offense within the meaning of 3-1-317, 3-1-318, 45-2-101, 46-18-236, 61-8-104, and 61-8-711 and may not be recorded or charged against a driver’s record, and an insurance company may not hold a violation of this section against the insured or increase premiums because of the violation. The surcharges provided for in 3-1-317, 3-1-318, and 46-18-236 may not be imposed for a violation of this section.

VS
Minnesota

Subd. 3.Possession; crime described.

It is a crime for a person to have in possession, while in a private motor vehicle upon a street or highway, any bottle or receptacle containing an alcoholic beverage, distilled spirit, or 3.2 percent malt liquor that has been opened, or the seal broken, or the contents of which have been partially removed.

Subd. 4.Liability of nonpresent owner; crime described.

It is a crime for the owner of any private motor vehicle or the driver, if the owner is not present in the motor vehicle, to keep or allow to be kept in a motor vehicle when the vehicle is upon a street or highway any bottle or receptacle containing an alcoholic beverage, distilled spirit, or 3.2 percent malt liquor that has been opened, or the seal broken, or the contents of which have been partially removed.

Subdivisions 3 and 4 do not apply to a bottle or receptacle that is in the trunk of the vehicle if it is equipped with a trunk, or that is in another area of the vehicle not normally occupied by the driver and passengers if the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk. However, a utility compartment or glove compartment is deemed to be within the area occupied by the driver and passengers.

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Did you keep boxes of Top Secret documents there as well. Just asking… For a friend

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Only during my time with ‘the insurance company’ :wink:

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I do wish that you could get a Passport without going into the post office

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Oh, the Ghostbuster “No Glocks” sign.

S&W, Ruger, Colt’s; I’m good…

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The post office in Scottsdale AZ on Hayden Road does NOT have a no guns allowed sign. I have seen numerous people carrying and nobody has said a word.

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Those people are taking a significant risk. The sign need not be posted for the law to apply, and being a federal thing, it wouldn’t necessarily be a local “I don’t care what the feds say” kinda LEO that makes them regret carrying illegally

Also, welcome to the Community!

I’m not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. But, be careful there

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Perhaps carrying a secondary means of self defense such as pepper spray if you happen to encounter the perp before they’re able to get into your car. I exercise my 2A rights knowing full well the laws aren’t one size fits all.

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Welcome to the community!

Pepper spray is an excellent EDC item (where legal, which is most of the US). Most attacks do not rise to the level of lethal force, meaning pepper spray/OC is far more likely to be an appropriate tool for the job than a firearm. Tom Grieve has said pepper spray is at the level of force of a defensive punch, I’ve seen a lot of others say pepper spray is a lower level of force than a punch or strike (less chance of injury using OC stand alone vs striking someone)

It’s also pretty useful that you can, generally (don’t get a fog pattern, get a stream) OC works from a distance of several feet to several yards, well beyond the reach of your arm (or theirs)

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@Eitan & @Terry226, welcome, both, to the community! We’re glad that you’ve joined us and truly hope that you enjoy your time here.

Take care & be well, friends

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Welcome to the community! People are feeling safer carrying regardless of laws and locations being that crime has skyrocketed, and no one to protect people other than themselves and loved ones to be their own first responders from the uncontrolled open market crime spree, what can one expect. :thinking: :grinning: Criminals/Felons DON’T FOLLOW LAW/RULES/REGULATIONS other than their own LAWLESS WAYS!!! RIGHT? :laughing: The laws are implied to law abiding citizens to follow/control ( :sheep:).

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