The US Post Office

I knew you would cover me.

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That is called gaslighting. I am not sure if that is allowed on the forum. If it is it is a good tactic. For what IDK.

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Can you supply us with the specific law which states this? I, for one, would be very interested in reading it.

The reason I am asking is because I have spoken to our Regional Postmaster about this specific subject before, and according to him, if it is locked in your vehicle and your vehicle is on Post Office property, you are legally within the black and white of the law. Just don’t get out of your vehicle with your weapon on your hip.

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https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/federal-ccw-law/federally-banned-locations-for-carrying-firearms/#:~:text=Post%20Office%20—%20Postal%20regulations%20prohibit,or%20any%20property%20they%20own.

  • Post Office — Postal regulations prohibit the possession of firearms in their buildings and in their parking lots or any property they own.

Possession of Firearms and Other
Dangerous Weapons on Postal
Service Property Is Prohibited by Law
Possessing a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a federal facility for
other than official purposes, causing such a weapon to be present, or
attempting to do so are punishable by a fine, imprisonment for up to
1 year, or both. If the prohibited weapon is intended to be used to commit a
crime, the penalty is an increased fine, imprisonment for up to 5 years, or both.
See Title 18, United States Code, Section 930.
No person on U.S. Postal Service® property may carry or store firearms,
> explosives, or other dangerous or deadly weapons, either openly or concealed,
> except for official purposes. See Title 39, Code of Federal Regulations,
> Section 232.1.
Except for employees authorized by the chief postal inspector or the inspector
general, USPS® employees are prohibited from possessing, carrying, or storing
firearms while on duty, either on or off USPS property, and at any time on or
within USPS property. See Administrative Support Manual, Section 276.22.

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(l) Weapons and explosives. Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.

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It’s getting worse by the minute.

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“…in a federal facility…”

From what I see, it makes no mention of me having my personal weapon stored in my personal vehicle, on their property. My personal vehicle is my private property and is considered an extension of my home, regardless of where it is parked. The wording only states “STORED.”

This particular portion of their ridiculousness is a clear violation of the Second Amendment. It states in very plain black and white the USPS are prohibited from possessing firearms, either on or off USPS property, while on duty. Does this include their personally possessed weapons which are stored at home? Are they allowed to possess the firearms while off duty? Do the employees have to get a signed document from the Postmaster to be able to possess and store weapons at home while on duty? The way it is worded leads to speculation that the USPS employees are not allowed to own firearms at all.

Maybe I am just trying to read too much into the wording…

At our local post offices, there is no signage concerning weapons posted anywhere around the parking lots. There are signs at the doors going into the buildings.

Granted, the USPS is its own animal and can make up its own rules even the FBI cannot argue with, but with as many people, regular citizens, going in and out of their buildings and properties, they have to understand there will be weapons in many of the vehicles.

What I will do, if I need to go to the post office for any reason, will be to remove it from my hip, lock it in a steel box, lock it in the console, and lock the truck.

The USPS need not know what I have stored in my personal vehicle.

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The Postal as well as DVA “regulation” clearly say Grounds.

Anyone who is comfortable with entering the facility and loudly announcing that they have a gun in the car outside please be my guest!

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It says no persons on their property.

If you want to argue that your vehicle on their parking lot is not on their property, well…the people who claim their driveway is their private property are in for a rude awaking when I park my car in their driveway and say I’m not on their property because I am inside my private vehicle

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What law says that anything you can have in your home, you can have in your car, no matter where your car is?

Can you consume alcohol in your home? Can you therefore consume alcohol in your car parked on the side of a public street?

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Your interpretation may win in court, so might their’s.

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I’m not pretending to predict what the court might say to change law going forward.

Apologizes if that is how that came across.

My posts are merely the way it is now. It is not legal to take your pistol in your car into the post office parking lot, at present.

To put a picture on where USCCA’s position remains (hasn’t changed since this, pretty sure)

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That is a question of what grounds law enforcement would have to search my vehicle. If one of them witnesses me consuming alcohol in my vehicle on a side street, he will have grounds to search. I can legally store alcohol in my vehicle on a public street, without penalty of law, because it is my private property.

As for the issue of weapons in my vehicle, it is the same for when I have my personal weapon stored in my vehicle parked on school property. As long as I do not set my feet on school property with a weapon on my person, I am legal withing the written law.

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Man!!! Why can’t the rest of the states be like IDAHO!!! :man_facepalming: :laughing:

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All states are not blessed with their population.

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Maybe we could give them a reality check in addition to winning the presidential election, and a trifecta with our gains in both houses of Congress.

Win the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act bill.

Let them not be able to marginalize us saying we are fewer than we are.

Let them realize like the voters that swept them out, that we too are not insignificant, and a force to be reckoned with.

We will fight for our Constitutional Bill of Rights including 2A, and not be infringed upon. The Second Amendment is not to be ignored by those that chose to.

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I think most are. But you have to get at least 50-100 miles inland

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So glad I live in a constitutional carry state, the sign outside my local PO states it is illegal to use a firearm against a postal employee and nothing about carrying in or on postal property.

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In situations involving firearms,
I err on the side of caution. :warning:

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You can store alcohol in your car on a public street because there isn’t a law against storing alcohol in your car on a public street.

There is a law against storing your handgun in your car in the post office parking lot.

Stored in your vehicle on school property depends on the laws for in a vehicle on school property in your state.

Whether or not it is legal in a particular situation for police to search your vehicle is a separate question from whether or not the thing you have in your vehicle is legal to have there.

Literally the lawyers who answer this question say not to take your gun to the post office parking lot. If you are this certain the lawyers are wrong and you are right, maybe it’s time to store a pistol in your car in the post office parking lot and then tell the USPS you are doing this to set the record straight? Just kidding, don’t do that, you don’t need to be a federal felon

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